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That's the sales pitch of +1, but I see no value, and purposefully avoid it. That's just me. And I'd much rather have a "-1" button.

k3n 14y ago
I see +1 more as a "please store this piece of marketing info to my personal data portfolio"; pretty ingenious of Google, but I'm not falling for it.
- KirinDave 14y ago
  I'm not sure why you'd view it this way, at least while still engaging in ANY online activity. The reality of the modern web is that everyone is tracking everything you do with their assets all the time. Even people you might not expect are keeping server logs that, with sufficient massaging, could reveal a lot of data. And Google hardly needs you to TELL them this data. They can determine your existence and search habits and friends simply by examining secondary sources. It's inevitable. Get over it. Or rather, get empowered by it. Google's play here is that they have this data for when you click through–and it's been helping them for years–but now they're exposing it to you. So you get the benefits of big data analysis in a context you can understand. Instead of being some sort of back-alley data collection initiative, +1 makes the whole process very much an up-front-and-transparent thing, complete with data export. \ I'm not sure how much more consumer-friendly and empowering a feature can be. Society wants the benefits of big data analysis and so companies have to find ways to make it valuable, transparent, and straightforward. How is this relationship any different from your relationship with Mint.com or Simple?
  - k3n 14y ago
    > It's inevitable. To you, maybe. > Get over it. No. I refuse to roll over a die; to just hand them my personal dossier. Will they gleam a nontrivial amount of information about me through the use of their services? Undoubtedly. Will I participate in their marketing circlejerk that is G+? No. > get empowered by it Nice try, G+ team member. edit: > Society wants the benefits of big data analysis We do? I think you are confusing big business with society, as I've yet to see any "big data" initiatives that aren't connected at the hip to some for-profit corporation. > How is this relationship any different from your relationship with Mint.com or Simple? It's not? I'm not a user of either of those services.
KirinDave 14y ago
> but I see no value, and purposefully avoid it. Allow me to give you concrete cases. I was looking for a good raspberry pi breakout board so I can use the GPIO without concern that a bad soldering job would lead to a dead board. I type this in and I see those little people and +1 notifications for some products and blog posts and not others. I also see promoted images from a friend who just installed one. I have a fairly good idea about the authenticity and trustworthiness of these people, and so the search results have helpfully incorporated this data and helped shape my purchasing process. Now, I have made it a point to cultivate relationships with people in this space that are also G+ users, so it isn't "free", but it pays off pretty handsomely in cases like this. Is that not a clear enough value proposition?

k3n 14y ago

I see +1 more as a "please store this piece of marketing info to my personal data portfolio"; pretty ingenious of Google, but I'm not falling for it.

KirinDave 14y ago
I'm not sure why you'd view it this way, at least while still engaging in ANY online activity. The reality of the modern web is that everyone is tracking everything you do with their assets all the time. Even people you might not expect are keeping server logs that, with sufficient massaging, could reveal a lot of data. And Google hardly needs you to TELL them this data. They can determine your existence and search habits and friends simply by examining secondary sources. It's inevitable. Get over it. Or rather, get empowered by it. Google's play here is that they have this data for when you click through–and it's been helping them for years–but now they're exposing it to you. So you get the benefits of big data analysis in a context you can understand. Instead of being some sort of back-alley data collection initiative, +1 makes the whole process very much an up-front-and-transparent thing, complete with data export. \ I'm not sure how much more consumer-friendly and empowering a feature can be. Society wants the benefits of big data analysis and so companies have to find ways to make it valuable, transparent, and straightforward. How is this relationship any different from your relationship with Mint.com or Simple?
- k3n 14y ago
  > It's inevitable. To you, maybe. > Get over it. No. I refuse to roll over a die; to just hand them my personal dossier. Will they gleam a nontrivial amount of information about me through the use of their services? Undoubtedly. Will I participate in their marketing circlejerk that is G+? No. > get empowered by it Nice try, G+ team member. edit: > Society wants the benefits of big data analysis We do? I think you are confusing big business with society, as I've yet to see any "big data" initiatives that aren't connected at the hip to some for-profit corporation. > How is this relationship any different from your relationship with Mint.com or Simple? It's not? I'm not a user of either of those services.

KirinDave 14y ago

> but I see no value, and purposefully avoid it. Allow me to give you concrete cases. I was looking for a good raspberry pi breakout board so I can use the GPIO without concern that a bad soldering job would lead to a dead board. I type this in and I see those little people and +1 notifications for some products and blog posts and not others. I also see promoted images from a friend who just installed one. I have a fairly good idea about the authenticity and trustworthiness of these people, and so the search results have helpfully incorporated this data and helped shape my purchasing process. Now, I have made it a point to cultivate relationships with people in this space that are also G+ users, so it isn't "free", but it pays off pretty handsomely in cases like this. Is that not a clear enough value proposition?