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Why they picked something that has extremely compelling evidence to the contrary, rather than just saying "ultraprocessed foods" or older parenting age is beyon

by bmau5 1y ago

Why they picked something that has extremely compelling evidence to the contrary, rather than just saying "ultraprocessed foods" or older parenting age is beyond me. I don't see how this serves their agenda, and clearly isn't grounded in any facts

moogly 1y ago
Don't underestimate these horrid men's wish to control women and their bodies. "Tough it out", was this clown's words.
- bmau5 1y ago
  I hear you. I just have a hard time believing he does anything without some direct tie back to his bank account. If we find he has short positions in Kenvue it'll make more sense to me.
  - xp84 1y ago
    That would certainly fit the pattern we've seen. I'm always floored by how small the grifts are. Like, if I were a 'morally flexible' President and had at least a billion dollars already, I sure wouldn't consider being influenced by 9 figures or less. Come talk to me when it's going to enrich my 'team' by at least 10 billion. For anything less than that I'd be determined to appear straight as an arrow. For Trump you can approve a new golf course for him and he'll just executive order whatever you want.
    - anigbrowl 1y ago
      For one thing, he knows he's more or less untouchable legally and politically. The American establishment no longer has the will to police itself properly due to institutional capture. For another, directe enrichment isn't the only incentive for corruption. It also corrupts the giver, and having control over lots of small and medium people who are already corrupted is worth more than the up front cash value.
  - moogly 1y ago
    Oh, you'll be hearing from now on that he saved America from the scourge of autism, something no other president has ever managed to do, and certainly not Obama or Biden because they were horrible, just horrible, presidents. Just like he stopped 7 wars, but really, it was 10 wars, and they were horrible wars, and he saved mill-yins and mill-yins of lives. Just tremendous work, he'll have you know.
al_borland 1y ago
Hopefully people are watching to make sure none of them shorted the stock.
- xp84 1y ago
  ~I thought J&J already settled a big class-action lawsuit on that, didn't they?~ Edit: I was misremembering an ongoing lawsuit as having been resolved: https://www.nysd.uscourts.gov/MDL/22md3043 https://www.nysd.uscourts.gov/MDL/22md3043
  - al_borland 1y ago
    Apparently J&J spun off their consumer health products, including Tylenol to Kenvue in 2023.
    - xp84 1y ago
      I didn't realize at first that the spin-off would be the ones who retain the legal liability but I suppose it makes sense with it being split off from the original company (which makes more sense than if Tylenol was sold to a third party).
- rsynnott 1y ago
  What stock? Paracetamol was first synthesised over 150 years ago; it is the most generic of generic drugs. It's also, well, not a big profit centre for anyone; it costs practically nothing.
  - al_borland 1y ago
    Kenvue. J&J spun off their consumer products, including Tylenol, into Kenvue a couple years ago. It dropped 7.5% on the news to an all-time low.
anigbrowl 1y ago
Compelling evidence guarantees opposition from rationally inclined people. Opposition serves as 'negative proof' to the conspiratorially minded, and causes them to circle the wagons in defense of their leaders. Trump gets loyalty and probably money while posturing that he's 'standing up to big pharma'.
bediger4000 1y ago
It looks like maybe the agenda is to make autism the parents' fault. Then those elite, genetically superior upper crust folks can demand that morally inferior parents who damaged their children take on the burden of supporting, and maybe hiding, their mutant offspring. As an additional bonus, the diagnosis of autism becomes a moral fault of the parents, something to be avoided if possible, hidden if not. Another lever to use on people, like being gay was up to the 1980s, or having African American ancestry was until the 1970s.
- ModernMech 1y ago
  Not the parents’, specifically the mother’s fault.
kccoder 1y ago
They don't care about facts. At this point I think it is fair to say they don't understand what a fact is. They prefer "alternative facts", which is another way of saying they will claim, without evidence, or even with overwhelming evidence to the contrary, that anything which aligns with their feelings or beliefs, or serves their purposes, is a fact, reality be damned.
- olooney 1y ago
  "You know, the very powerful and the very stupid have one thing in common: they don't alter their views to fit the facts, they alter the facts to fit the views." - Dr. Who
- ModernMech 1y ago
  Trump, today: "The MMR I think should be taken separately. This is based on what I feel." Medical advice broadcast to the nation based on Trump’s feelings.

by bmau5 1y ago

moogly 1y ago

Don't underestimate these horrid men's wish to control women and their bodies. "Tough it out", was this clown's words.

bmau5 1y ago
I hear you. I just have a hard time believing he does anything without some direct tie back to his bank account. If we find he has short positions in Kenvue it'll make more sense to me.
- xp84 1y ago
  That would certainly fit the pattern we've seen. I'm always floored by how small the grifts are. Like, if I were a 'morally flexible' President and had at least a billion dollars already, I sure wouldn't consider being influenced by 9 figures or less. Come talk to me when it's going to enrich my 'team' by at least 10 billion. For anything less than that I'd be determined to appear straight as an arrow. For Trump you can approve a new golf course for him and he'll just executive order whatever you want.
  - anigbrowl 1y ago
    For one thing, he knows he's more or less untouchable legally and politically. The American establishment no longer has the will to police itself properly due to institutional capture. For another, directe enrichment isn't the only incentive for corruption. It also corrupts the giver, and having control over lots of small and medium people who are already corrupted is worth more than the up front cash value.
- moogly 1y ago
  Oh, you'll be hearing from now on that he saved America from the scourge of autism, something no other president has ever managed to do, and certainly not Obama or Biden because they were horrible, just horrible, presidents. Just like he stopped 7 wars, but really, it was 10 wars, and they were horrible wars, and he saved mill-yins and mill-yins of lives. Just tremendous work, he'll have you know.

al_borland 1y ago

Hopefully people are watching to make sure none of them shorted the stock.

xp84 1y ago
~I thought J&J already settled a big class-action lawsuit on that, didn't they?~ Edit: I was misremembering an ongoing lawsuit as having been resolved: https://www.nysd.uscourts.gov/MDL/22md3043 https://www.nysd.uscourts.gov/MDL/22md3043
- al_borland 1y ago
  Apparently J&J spun off their consumer health products, including Tylenol to Kenvue in 2023.
  - xp84 1y ago
    I didn't realize at first that the spin-off would be the ones who retain the legal liability but I suppose it makes sense with it being split off from the original company (which makes more sense than if Tylenol was sold to a third party).
rsynnott 1y ago
What stock? Paracetamol was first synthesised over 150 years ago; it is the most generic of generic drugs. It's also, well, not a big profit centre for anyone; it costs practically nothing.
- al_borland 1y ago
  Kenvue. J&J spun off their consumer products, including Tylenol, into Kenvue a couple years ago. It dropped 7.5% on the news to an all-time low.

anigbrowl 1y ago

Compelling evidence guarantees opposition from rationally inclined people. Opposition serves as 'negative proof' to the conspiratorially minded, and causes them to circle the wagons in defense of their leaders. Trump gets loyalty and probably money while posturing that he's 'standing up to big pharma'.

bediger4000 1y ago

It looks like maybe the agenda is to make autism the parents' fault. Then those elite, genetically superior upper crust folks can demand that morally inferior parents who damaged their children take on the burden of supporting, and maybe hiding, their mutant offspring. As an additional bonus, the diagnosis of autism becomes a moral fault of the parents, something to be avoided if possible, hidden if not. Another lever to use on people, like being gay was up to the 1980s, or having African American ancestry was until the 1970s.

ModernMech 1y ago
Not the parents’, specifically the mother’s fault.

kccoder 1y ago

They don't care about facts. At this point I think it is fair to say they don't understand what a fact is. They prefer "alternative facts", which is another way of saying they will claim, without evidence, or even with overwhelming evidence to the contrary, that anything which aligns with their feelings or beliefs, or serves their purposes, is a fact, reality be damned.

olooney 1y ago
"You know, the very powerful and the very stupid have one thing in common: they don't alter their views to fit the facts, they alter the facts to fit the views." - Dr. Who
ModernMech 1y ago
Trump, today: "The MMR I think should be taken separately. This is based on what I feel." Medical advice broadcast to the nation based on Trump’s feelings.