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I found this helpful in explaining what's happened: https://www.theregister.com/2025/09/22/ruby_central_rubygems/ https://www.theregister.com/2025/09/22/ruby_ce

I found this helpful in explaining what's happened: https://www.theregister.com/2025/09/22/ruby_central_rubygems/ https://www.theregister.com/2025/09/22/ruby_central_rubygems... Sounds like they made some really big changes and put zero effort into communicating to people who've spent 10+ years working on the project.

fwip 1y ago
Thanks - that was helpful indeed. From there, I also found the linked post by Tekin Süleyman ( https://tekin.co.uk/2025/09/the-ruby-community-has-a-dhh-problem https://tekin.co.uk/2025/09/the-ruby-community-has-a-dhh-pro... ) to be informative.
- McGlockenshire 1y ago
  Wow! When that one DHH blog went around the other day, I didn't actually pay attention to who the author was. All I saw was yet another bigoted rant and just skimmed it and rolled my eyes. (e: here it is to save people the effort: https://world.hey.com/dhh/as-i-remember-london-e7d38e64 https://world.hey.com/dhh/as-i-remember-london-e7d38e64 ) I should not have skimmed it. From your link: > In the same post he praises Tommy Robinson (actual name Stephen Christopher Yaxley-Lennon), a right-wing agitator with several convictions for violent offences and a long history of association with far-right groups such as the English Defence League and the British Nationalist Party. He then goes on to describe those that attended last weekend’s far-right rally in London as “perfectly normal, peaceful Brits” protesting against the “demographic nightmare” that has enveloped London, despite the violence and disorder they caused. > To all of that he ads a dash of Islamophobia, citing “Pakistani rape gangs” as one of the reasons for the unrest, repeating a weaponised trope borne from a long since discredited report from the Quilliam Foundation, an organisation with ties to both the the US Tea Party, and Tommy Robinson himself. This is ... disqualifying. That's the best word I can summon here to express my dismay. This is a crossed line. Absolutely nutso. edit2: Uh wow I really should not have skimmed it. Here's one paragraph from DHH's blog itself: > Which brings us back to Robinson's powerful march yesterday. The banner said "March for Freedom", and focused as much on that now distant-to-the-Brits concept of free speech, as it did on restoring national pride. And for good reason! The totalitarian descent into censorious darkness in Britain has been as swift as its demographic shift. Well, if that doesn't speak volumes as to DHH's values, I don't know what does.
  - ethagnawl 1y ago
    ... and this is the guy whose Linux "distro" Cloudflare has just announced funding for.
    - bigiain 1y ago
      Not all _that_ surprising. From where I see things, pretty much every time you see "Cloudflare" and "free speech" in the same sentence, it always end up being about Cloudflare supporting free speech for nazis or white supremacists. DHH's racist and xenophobic views are totally on-brand for them.
    - aquariusDue 1y ago
      Yeah, it was funny the first time a YouTuber[0] did something like that but now I feel like the joke got out of hand a bit, I blame the uptrend of opinionated configs to turn code editors into bona fide IDEs[1][2][3] for this. Welp, looking forward to the holy wars between people running different influencers' configs five years from now. Who knows, maybe we'll see premium versions of those too. [0] DistroTube which maintains DTOS, https://distro.tube/dtos/ https://distro.tube/dtos/ [1] LunarVim [2] AstroVim [3] Doom Emacs
  - cratermoon 1y ago
    He makes his position clear enough in the second paragraph, for those who know how to read between the lines. "London is no longer the city I was infatuated with in the late '90s and early 2000s. Chiefly because it's no longer full of native Brits."
  - vr46 1y ago
    OMFG This post is full of outright nonsense. I was in Central London last Saturday and watched a lot of it go down, before heading to Islington and then catching the last dregs of the crowd nearer Euston and chatting in the pub with some of them. As a "native Brit" and "native Londoner" that DHH wouldn't recognise as such, he can absolutely do one.
  - scuff3d 1y ago
    2025 has been wild but DHH outing himself as a crazy racist was definitely not something I was expecting...
- forgingahead 1y ago
  Tekin's conclusion: "it will send a clear message to the wider Ruby community (and those who may be considering joining it) that the majority does not stand with DHH and his toxic views." He is going to be ultra surprised to learn what the majority thinks and how it's not what he thinks it is.
  - em-bee 1y ago
    what does the majority think then according to you?
    - schainks 1y ago
      Additional context — DHH's latest blog post: https://world.hey.com/dhh/as-i-remember-london-e7d38e64 https://world.hey.com/dhh/as-i-remember-london-e7d38e64 Using your personal brand to espouse the values of ethnonationalism fundamentally serves the capital class wishing to divide and exploit social order among those who labor. This is so rich, coming from the guy who literally created a tool that increases the value of labor. So, if I had to guess, the smart, critical thinkers in the _global_ Ruby community might find this whole situation reeks. If I were an immigrant to the UK and a Rails developer, and DHH is getting re-platformed while saying crazy stuff like this, I would think twice about my career choices going forward — Or, push the Ruby community not to stand with a garbage attitude like this, even if from a BDFL-type personality. I _invested_ my life into promoting the use of your tool, while you disparage me based on skin color and country of origin for the sake of some 'ye olde country' vibefest? Does DHH even know where his principles lie?
- rramon 1y ago
  Tekin, what makes a Turk less white than a Greek or Spaniard? If it's cultural (religion, music/sports related subcultures and codes) then it's chosen. Nobody can force you into a subculture in the West. As soon as you turn 18 you can essentially do what you want, most likely even way before that. You can chose your subculture, how you dress, style your hair, talk and are read by the mainstream society. Actual racists go by skin color and ignore your cultural choices, fuck them.
  - ____mr____ 1y ago
    Not really, racists often include ethnic features such as hair texture or even nose shape within their criteria for racial exclusion. While in certain cultural contexts Turks may be read as white, within Europe there is a history of excluding them from whiteness and presenting them as a threat to European culture, mostly due to Islamophobia
    - kgwgk 1y ago
      The last paragraph is funny because Turks themselves use the expression White Turks to refer to the modern/secular/Western (as opposed to the Black Turks, conservative/Islamist).
    - rramon 1y ago
      Ethnic features = things you can nothing for, same category as skin color. I was talking about the culture you chose and the stereotypes that go along with it. Stereotypes override ethnic features unless you actually deal with real racists. DHH might not be street smart enough (like most people in tech) to see through those stereotypes on the streets of London.
      - ____mr____ 1y ago
        I'm not sure I completely understand what you are saying. You start your original comment by asking what makes Turks non white which I answered, and from what I understand you believe that choosing to participate in a culture from the diaspora you are a part of means that you have to bear the burden of the stereotypes about that culture, even if they are racist in nature? And furthermore, you believe that people that believe these stereotypes are not real racists because real racists only care about skin color? Again, I could be misunderstanding, but I don't think that you need to only care about skin color to be racist. I think that DHH's anxieties about replacement of naitives being mostly focused on MENA people feels like a pretty clear sign he believes that non European (aka non white) immigrants are a problem, which to me, is racist.

fwip 1y ago

Thanks - that was helpful indeed. From there, I also found the linked post by Tekin Süleyman ( https://tekin.co.uk/2025/09/the-ruby-community-has-a-dhh-problem https://tekin.co.uk/2025/09/the-ruby-community-has-a-dhh-pro... ) to be informative.

McGlockenshire 1y ago
Wow! When that one DHH blog went around the other day, I didn't actually pay attention to who the author was. All I saw was yet another bigoted rant and just skimmed it and rolled my eyes. (e: here it is to save people the effort: https://world.hey.com/dhh/as-i-remember-london-e7d38e64 https://world.hey.com/dhh/as-i-remember-london-e7d38e64 ) I should not have skimmed it. From your link: > In the same post he praises Tommy Robinson (actual name Stephen Christopher Yaxley-Lennon), a right-wing agitator with several convictions for violent offences and a long history of association with far-right groups such as the English Defence League and the British Nationalist Party. He then goes on to describe those that attended last weekend’s far-right rally in London as “perfectly normal, peaceful Brits” protesting against the “demographic nightmare” that has enveloped London, despite the violence and disorder they caused. > To all of that he ads a dash of Islamophobia, citing “Pakistani rape gangs” as one of the reasons for the unrest, repeating a weaponised trope borne from a long since discredited report from the Quilliam Foundation, an organisation with ties to both the the US Tea Party, and Tommy Robinson himself. This is ... disqualifying. That's the best word I can summon here to express my dismay. This is a crossed line. Absolutely nutso. edit2: Uh wow I really should not have skimmed it. Here's one paragraph from DHH's blog itself: > Which brings us back to Robinson's powerful march yesterday. The banner said "March for Freedom", and focused as much on that now distant-to-the-Brits concept of free speech, as it did on restoring national pride. And for good reason! The totalitarian descent into censorious darkness in Britain has been as swift as its demographic shift. Well, if that doesn't speak volumes as to DHH's values, I don't know what does.
- ethagnawl 1y ago
  ... and this is the guy whose Linux "distro" Cloudflare has just announced funding for.
  - bigiain 1y ago
    Not all _that_ surprising. From where I see things, pretty much every time you see "Cloudflare" and "free speech" in the same sentence, it always end up being about Cloudflare supporting free speech for nazis or white supremacists. DHH's racist and xenophobic views are totally on-brand for them.
  - aquariusDue 1y ago
    Yeah, it was funny the first time a YouTuber[0] did something like that but now I feel like the joke got out of hand a bit, I blame the uptrend of opinionated configs to turn code editors into bona fide IDEs[1][2][3] for this. Welp, looking forward to the holy wars between people running different influencers' configs five years from now. Who knows, maybe we'll see premium versions of those too. [0] DistroTube which maintains DTOS, https://distro.tube/dtos/ https://distro.tube/dtos/ [1] LunarVim [2] AstroVim [3] Doom Emacs
- cratermoon 1y ago
  He makes his position clear enough in the second paragraph, for those who know how to read between the lines. "London is no longer the city I was infatuated with in the late '90s and early 2000s. Chiefly because it's no longer full of native Brits."
- vr46 1y ago
  OMFG This post is full of outright nonsense. I was in Central London last Saturday and watched a lot of it go down, before heading to Islington and then catching the last dregs of the crowd nearer Euston and chatting in the pub with some of them. As a "native Brit" and "native Londoner" that DHH wouldn't recognise as such, he can absolutely do one.
- scuff3d 1y ago
  2025 has been wild but DHH outing himself as a crazy racist was definitely not something I was expecting...
forgingahead 1y ago
Tekin's conclusion: "it will send a clear message to the wider Ruby community (and those who may be considering joining it) that the majority does not stand with DHH and his toxic views." He is going to be ultra surprised to learn what the majority thinks and how it's not what he thinks it is.
- em-bee 1y ago
  what does the majority think then according to you?
  - schainks 1y ago
    Additional context — DHH's latest blog post: https://world.hey.com/dhh/as-i-remember-london-e7d38e64 https://world.hey.com/dhh/as-i-remember-london-e7d38e64 Using your personal brand to espouse the values of ethnonationalism fundamentally serves the capital class wishing to divide and exploit social order among those who labor. This is so rich, coming from the guy who literally created a tool that increases the value of labor. So, if I had to guess, the smart, critical thinkers in the _global_ Ruby community might find this whole situation reeks. If I were an immigrant to the UK and a Rails developer, and DHH is getting re-platformed while saying crazy stuff like this, I would think twice about my career choices going forward — Or, push the Ruby community not to stand with a garbage attitude like this, even if from a BDFL-type personality. I _invested_ my life into promoting the use of your tool, while you disparage me based on skin color and country of origin for the sake of some 'ye olde country' vibefest? Does DHH even know where his principles lie?
rramon 1y ago
Tekin, what makes a Turk less white than a Greek or Spaniard? If it's cultural (religion, music/sports related subcultures and codes) then it's chosen. Nobody can force you into a subculture in the West. As soon as you turn 18 you can essentially do what you want, most likely even way before that. You can chose your subculture, how you dress, style your hair, talk and are read by the mainstream society. Actual racists go by skin color and ignore your cultural choices, fuck them.
- ____mr____ 1y ago
  Not really, racists often include ethnic features such as hair texture or even nose shape within their criteria for racial exclusion. While in certain cultural contexts Turks may be read as white, within Europe there is a history of excluding them from whiteness and presenting them as a threat to European culture, mostly due to Islamophobia
  - kgwgk 1y ago
    The last paragraph is funny because Turks themselves use the expression White Turks to refer to the modern/secular/Western (as opposed to the Black Turks, conservative/Islamist).
  - rramon 1y ago
    Ethnic features = things you can nothing for, same category as skin color. I was talking about the culture you chose and the stereotypes that go along with it. Stereotypes override ethnic features unless you actually deal with real racists. DHH might not be street smart enough (like most people in tech) to see through those stereotypes on the streets of London.
    - ____mr____ 1y ago
      I'm not sure I completely understand what you are saying. You start your original comment by asking what makes Turks non white which I answered, and from what I understand you believe that choosing to participate in a culture from the diaspora you are a part of means that you have to bear the burden of the stereotypes about that culture, even if they are racist in nature? And furthermore, you believe that people that believe these stereotypes are not real racists because real racists only care about skin color? Again, I could be misunderstanding, but I don't think that you need to only care about skin color to be racist. I think that DHH's anxieties about replacement of naitives being mostly focused on MENA people feels like a pretty clear sign he believes that non European (aka non white) immigrants are a problem, which to me, is racist.