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Much if not all of this is non-scientific, it doesn't hold water except as narrative, which I don't know how to engage with except reject it on basic grounds. P

Much if not all of this is non-scientific, it doesn't hold water except as narrative, which I don't know how to engage with except reject it on basic grounds. Psychoanalysis isn't science, Girard isn't science, both are narrative. That means it's designed for sender-status. Pointless to discuss. Scrawling memes on casings though is not brain rot, it's a general hack of mythological thought, it's a break from the overall patterns academia, intelligentsia, and plain English general interest media fool audiences into the status game inherent to narrative. Stay in line, buy more, be happier. The point of memes are to shred this causal link between the arbitrary (words, narratives, money etc). I'd look at meme culture as revolutionary, but that subverts most of what you're citing. And I don't think considering Baudrillard's critique of the seamlessness of simulation with reality it or he is accelerationist, that's a narrative take of an analytical probe.

gsf_emergency_2 1y ago
>intervention in terms of getting the old guard to at least understand that they don't understand memes Hey, you're replying to one old guard (the GP's) quirky attempt to understand memes; it's rather harmless in the scheme of memes. I'd wish memes would be less oblique though (as in, please attack specific insidious myths already!) but that might also be contrary to the (organic? noninterventionist? deus ex?) power of memes.
- mallowdram 1y ago
  Memes are like entoptics of the Paleolithic (Lewis-Williams), they're staging areas for subverting communication and cohering them in a new form of screen/toplogy. They're just proto-variables that destroy the long nightmare of mythological thought, and are so effective, they're able to topple regimes. Our generations have to face the notion that psychology, sociology, history, narratives, all of the humanities, all of the narrative sciences, computer science and their theories are this easily liquidated by meme-culture. Now what's next is the scaffolding to replace them, beginning with words, then sequences.
  - gsf_emergency_2 1y ago
    >they're able to topple regimes. Just making this more concrete https://youtu.be/EwXAz8MJ5l8 https://youtu.be/EwXAz8MJ5l8 https://archive.today/latest/www.scmp.com/news/asia/south-asia/article/3325310/how-nepals-nepo-kids-lit-fire-gen-z-rebellion-demanding-change https://archive.today/latest/www.scmp.com/news/asia/south-as... (But that regime was already fragile so it could have been other types of catalyst.. no this is not South Asian spring (SSEA sputtering?)
    - mallowdram 1y ago
      That's only the beginning yet meme's have a glass ceiling built in, they are merely non-linear, chaos, or nihilistic. They can't cohere the analytic. But what is missing from meme-culture, their next form, will be.

gsf_emergency_2 1y ago

>intervention in terms of getting the old guard to at least understand that they don't understand memes Hey, you're replying to one old guard (the GP's) quirky attempt to understand memes; it's rather harmless in the scheme of memes. I'd wish memes would be less oblique though (as in, please attack specific insidious myths already!) but that might also be contrary to the (organic? noninterventionist? deus ex?) power of memes.

mallowdram 1y ago
Memes are like entoptics of the Paleolithic (Lewis-Williams), they're staging areas for subverting communication and cohering them in a new form of screen/toplogy. They're just proto-variables that destroy the long nightmare of mythological thought, and are so effective, they're able to topple regimes. Our generations have to face the notion that psychology, sociology, history, narratives, all of the humanities, all of the narrative sciences, computer science and their theories are this easily liquidated by meme-culture. Now what's next is the scaffolding to replace them, beginning with words, then sequences.
- gsf_emergency_2 1y ago
  >they're able to topple regimes. Just making this more concrete https://youtu.be/EwXAz8MJ5l8 https://youtu.be/EwXAz8MJ5l8 https://archive.today/latest/www.scmp.com/news/asia/south-asia/article/3325310/how-nepals-nepo-kids-lit-fire-gen-z-rebellion-demanding-change https://archive.today/latest/www.scmp.com/news/asia/south-as... (But that regime was already fragile so it could have been other types of catalyst.. no this is not South Asian spring (SSEA sputtering?)
  - mallowdram 1y ago
    That's only the beginning yet meme's have a glass ceiling built in, they are merely non-linear, chaos, or nihilistic. They can't cohere the analytic. But what is missing from meme-culture, their next form, will be.