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So essentially, you are redundant now and celebrate it.

bongodongobob 1y ago
Unless you are selling a service to compile things for people I'm not sure who is being made redundant here.
varispeed 1y ago
It's like saying chisel made carpenter redundant. AI still needs an operator and then more people to actually make the output production ready.
- bgwalter 1y ago
  People here are claiming that "AI" emits fully working products, so with that reading they are not just a tool. Also, you would own a chisel and the chisel does not spy on you. The "AI" factories are owned by oligopolies and you have to pay a steep monthly fee in order to continue receiving your warez that are derivative works of actually creative people's IP. Also, the "AI" factories know everything you do and ask and what kind of code you write.
  - bckr 1y ago
    For now. Open Source AI continues to make progress
  - a456463 1y ago
    You are correct and I agree with you. HN monoculture of AI fanbois won't understand this
    - bongodongobob 1y ago
      Of all the forums I frequent, hackernews is probably the most dismissive of AI, which I would not have guessed.
  - simonw 1y ago
    I think you're in the wrong thread. This isn't about AI emitting "fully working products", this is about AI brute-force figuring out how to compile stuff with gnarly constraints, a task which very few software developers look forward to. Plus, as other commenters have pointed out already, you can run this stuff entirely free from risk of an AI company spying on what you are doing. The models that run locally got really good in the past 12 months, and if they don't work on your own machine you can rent a capable cloud GPU machine for a few bucks an hour.
  - ForOldHack 1y ago
    There are also people telling you the earth is flat, and 30 years of experience can be compressed into a 4 minute you tube video. Even if a chisel could spy on me, it becomes dull with use, where as AI may become sharper with use, it still cannot distinguish which idiot is operating it. AI is just for people to learn prompting, which is an art, like google searching. It still cannot fathom "taste." or a large host of other types of nuances, that again, only come with experience and enculturation.
- ForOldHack 1y ago
  You are the master of understatement. I just spent 5+ Hours getting an emulator to just work. back and forth with the AI required me to be cognizant of the direction I was going, very cognizant. After It finally worked... the clean up was huge. at least 15 broken images, 100s of scratch files.
gregsadetsky 1y ago
I celebrate that I did not have to spend cycles dealing with a non-interesting, non-intellectually-challenging issue aka figuring out the incantations to make a build system happy. I'm also celebrating (although I forgot to do this - my bad!) that this automated discovery (i.e. of how to fix the build system for machines such as mine) could have been brought back to the Chocolate Doom community, and made the software better for everyone. And finally, I'm also celebrating that this allowed my (if I may speak so boldly) creativity to express itself by helping me quickly bring a funny idea to life and share it, hopefully entertaining the world/making at least one person laugh/chuckle. I don't see how any of this makes me redundant though. Efficient? Lazy? Both? Neither? But not redundant. I think! :-)
- behringer 1y ago
  Be aware that if you don't understand every change then your contributions may not be welcome or helpful, depending on the project and situation.
chickenzzzzu 1y ago
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jstummbillig 1y ago
Naturally, the primary source of purpose in life: Making Chocolate Doom compile.
- warkdarrior 1y ago
  If only philosophers of the last 2500 years had known this...
a456463 1y ago
Precisely
solsane 1y ago
I’ve always thought that most devs would be elated by the idea of automatio^n!

Unless you are selling a service to compile things for people I'm not sure who is being made redundant here.

It's like saying chisel made carpenter redundant. AI still needs an operator and then more people to actually make the output production ready.

bgwalter 1y ago
People here are claiming that "AI" emits fully working products, so with that reading they are not just a tool. Also, you would own a chisel and the chisel does not spy on you. The "AI" factories are owned by oligopolies and you have to pay a steep monthly fee in order to continue receiving your warez that are derivative works of actually creative people's IP. Also, the "AI" factories know everything you do and ask and what kind of code you write.
- bckr 1y ago
  For now. Open Source AI continues to make progress
- a456463 1y ago
  You are correct and I agree with you. HN monoculture of AI fanbois won't understand this
  - bongodongobob 1y ago
    Of all the forums I frequent, hackernews is probably the most dismissive of AI, which I would not have guessed.
- simonw 1y ago
  I think you're in the wrong thread. This isn't about AI emitting "fully working products", this is about AI brute-force figuring out how to compile stuff with gnarly constraints, a task which very few software developers look forward to. Plus, as other commenters have pointed out already, you can run this stuff entirely free from risk of an AI company spying on what you are doing. The models that run locally got really good in the past 12 months, and if they don't work on your own machine you can rent a capable cloud GPU machine for a few bucks an hour.
- ForOldHack 1y ago
  There are also people telling you the earth is flat, and 30 years of experience can be compressed into a 4 minute you tube video. Even if a chisel could spy on me, it becomes dull with use, where as AI may become sharper with use, it still cannot distinguish which idiot is operating it. AI is just for people to learn prompting, which is an art, like google searching. It still cannot fathom "taste." or a large host of other types of nuances, that again, only come with experience and enculturation.
ForOldHack 1y ago
You are the master of understatement. I just spent 5+ Hours getting an emulator to just work. back and forth with the AI required me to be cognizant of the direction I was going, very cognizant. After It finally worked... the clean up was huge. at least 15 broken images, 100s of scratch files.

gregsadetsky 1y ago

I celebrate that I did not have to spend cycles dealing with a non-interesting, non-intellectually-challenging issue aka figuring out the incantations to make a build system happy. I'm also celebrating (although I forgot to do this - my bad!) that this automated discovery (i.e. of how to fix the build system for machines such as mine) could have been brought back to the Chocolate Doom community, and made the software better for everyone. And finally, I'm also celebrating that this allowed my (if I may speak so boldly) creativity to express itself by helping me quickly bring a funny idea to life and share it, hopefully entertaining the world/making at least one person laugh/chuckle. I don't see how any of this makes me redundant though. Efficient? Lazy? Both? Neither? But not redundant. I think! :-)

behringer 1y ago
Be aware that if you don't understand every change then your contributions may not be welcome or helpful, depending on the project and situation.

chickenzzzzu 1y ago

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jstummbillig 1y ago

Naturally, the primary source of purpose in life: Making Chocolate Doom compile.

warkdarrior 1y ago
If only philosophers of the last 2500 years had known this...

a456463 1y ago

Precisely

solsane 1y ago

I’ve always thought that most devs would be elated by the idea of automatio^n!