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Yes, we've been reading a lot in the media lately about the LEFT attacking free speech with unprecedented zeal and cancelling all manner of right wing opinions,

Yes, we've been reading a lot in the media lately about the LEFT attacking free speech with unprecedented zeal and cancelling all manner of right wing opinions, shows and pundits that don't support their dogma 100%. Wait, no. The exact opposite is happening. My bad, it's easy to get confused.

gadders 1y ago
It's easy to get confused if you have amnesia and forget the previous presidential term.
djohnston 1y ago
Shooting someone through the throat with a high-powered rifle during a university debate certainly seems like an attack on free speech, but maybe I don't have your nuanced understanding of the issue.
- ghurtado 1y ago
  > I don't have your nuanced understanding of the issue. Let me help unconfuse you, then: - government swiftly, immediately and directly cancelling a show from a private company because someone said something that's not good for "the party": attack on free speech. - murder of Charlie Kirk: politically motivated murder by a deranged psycho, which is immediately exploited to AMPLIFY right wing views and cancel left wing ones. So tell me again, based on what one is currently allowed to say about this very topic: what ideas is the right no longer able to express openly and loudly as a result of this murder? Don't say "Charlie Kirk": I've heard more of his ideas in recent weeks than I would have if he hadn't been shot.
  - djohnston 1y ago
    > and cancel left wing ones. "Left ones" being, celebrating murder? Assuming you weren't living under a rock for the past decade, do you think celebrating murder is less severe than right-wing views (critical of BLM, critical of feminism, critical of pro-choice) that were routinely cancelled by left-wing institutions (social media, university) over this time frame?
    - text0404 1y ago
      Please tell us how Matthew Dowd celebrated Kirk's murder? Or Kimmel? Furthermore, celebrating murder is still free speech. For example, we've had to endure years of jokes about the murders of George Floyd and Trayvon Martin, the flame continuously stoked by Charlie Kirk and his colleagues. Kirk was ultimately "cancelled" by the same society that he fomented. He was against empathy, used his platform to disparage and attack vulnerable groups, against gun control, and literally said that gun deaths are a worthy price for the 2nd amendment. He was a victim of a violent society he actively encouraged and campaigned for. Pointing this out is not celebrating murder.
      - Andrew_nenakhov 1y ago
        > and literally said that gun deaths are a worthy price for the 2nd amendment This is, of course, a lie. By omitting important context you present it as a political point for what you perceive to be your side. In fact, strict gun control does not prevent political assassinations. It didn't prevent it in Russia, in Japan, nowhere. So all arguments that "he wouldn't get assassinated if we didn't have 2nd amendment" are simply not valid and proven wrong. Since I think you didn't really read into the full text of a quote in question, I'll provide you a link [0]. [0]: https://cleverjourneys.com/2025/09/15/full-text-of-charlie-kirks-quote-about-americas-gun-rights/ https://cleverjourneys.com/2025/09/15/full-text-of-charlie-k...
        text0404 1y ago
        Your link doesn't prove me wrong? It's what he said: "You will never live in a society when you have an armed citizenry and you won’t have a single gun death. That is nonsense. It’s drivel. But I am, I, I — I think it’s worth it. I think it’s worth it to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the Second Amendment to protect our other God-given rights." That's his point of view. He became a victim of gun violence which he said is worth the cost. > This is, of course, a lie. By omitting important context you present it as a political point for what you perceive to be your side. Thanks for projecting! Try to focus on what we're discussing instead of descending into ad hominem. > strict gun control does not prevent political assassinations. It didn't prevent it in Russia, in Japan, nowhere I'm not discussing political assassinations, and neither was Kirk. I'm discussing Kirk's own views on gun violence in the United States and the "cost" of unrestricted access to firearms, of which he himself was a victim. Political assassinations are a small subset of this "cost." Would you like to compare the number of mass shooting events in these countries, or is it too inconvenient that the US is #1 in mass/school shootings?
  - Andrew_nenakhov 1y ago
    > government swiftly, immediately and directly cancelling a show from a private company That appears to be a false statement. Private company made that decision on their own after public pressured it to. A fitting quote by no other but Mr Kimmel himself, who said this in a very similar situation: I want to say kudos to my bosses at ABC for doing the right thing and canceling Roseanne’s show today. It’s not an easy thing to do when a show is successful, but it’s the right thing.
  - Andrew_nenakhov 1y ago
    Btw, the latest news just dropped:. somehow private company defied the 'fascist' government and reinstated the cancelled show in question. Uh oh how do you even explain it to yourself?!
SilverElfin 1y ago
Are we ignoring the vast censorship schemes on social media that all lean left? You can’t discuss certain topics or viewpoints in these public squares at all. Both sides are capable of acting against a free speech. But I think in the last 10 years in America, it has been the left acting against it.
- Capricorn2481 1y ago
  Can you name a platform capable of censorship, other than Reddit, that leans left?
  - Andrew_nenakhov 1y ago
    From my experience, YouTube, Wikipedia, Facebook. I can't personally say about BlueSky, but I heard it is a very left leaning also.
  - SilverElfin 1y ago
    TikTok. Bluesky (more nuances here). YouTube. Maybe it has reduced a bit in YouTube. But it’s still there.
    - HankStallone 1y ago
      Last year, YouTube removed a video I posted in 2017, supposedly for "medical misinformation." When I watched my copy to see what the heck they were talking about, I had to laugh, because I wasn't sharing a medical opinion at all. I was pointing to vaccines as an example of an issue on which Google might someday censor one side if things continued as they were going. Nice of them to prove my point, I guess.
Andrew_nenakhov 1y ago
You must have been asleep for the last 10+ years when leftist cancel culture was all the rage. Should I remind you how LEFT reacted to deplatforming Trump, Parler, Gab, firing of Carlsen? Everyone of note cheered for it and celebrated. Now, when they are getting some slight taste of their own medicine and act very very upset: they can't to that to us!!!

gadders 1y ago

It's easy to get confused if you have amnesia and forget the previous presidential term.

djohnston 1y ago

Shooting someone through the throat with a high-powered rifle during a university debate certainly seems like an attack on free speech, but maybe I don't have your nuanced understanding of the issue.

ghurtado 1y ago
> I don't have your nuanced understanding of the issue. Let me help unconfuse you, then: - government swiftly, immediately and directly cancelling a show from a private company because someone said something that's not good for "the party": attack on free speech. - murder of Charlie Kirk: politically motivated murder by a deranged psycho, which is immediately exploited to AMPLIFY right wing views and cancel left wing ones. So tell me again, based on what one is currently allowed to say about this very topic: what ideas is the right no longer able to express openly and loudly as a result of this murder? Don't say "Charlie Kirk": I've heard more of his ideas in recent weeks than I would have if he hadn't been shot.
- djohnston 1y ago
  > and cancel left wing ones. "Left ones" being, celebrating murder? Assuming you weren't living under a rock for the past decade, do you think celebrating murder is less severe than right-wing views (critical of BLM, critical of feminism, critical of pro-choice) that were routinely cancelled by left-wing institutions (social media, university) over this time frame?
  - text0404 1y ago
    Please tell us how Matthew Dowd celebrated Kirk's murder? Or Kimmel? Furthermore, celebrating murder is still free speech. For example, we've had to endure years of jokes about the murders of George Floyd and Trayvon Martin, the flame continuously stoked by Charlie Kirk and his colleagues. Kirk was ultimately "cancelled" by the same society that he fomented. He was against empathy, used his platform to disparage and attack vulnerable groups, against gun control, and literally said that gun deaths are a worthy price for the 2nd amendment. He was a victim of a violent society he actively encouraged and campaigned for. Pointing this out is not celebrating murder.
    - Andrew_nenakhov 1y ago
      > and literally said that gun deaths are a worthy price for the 2nd amendment This is, of course, a lie. By omitting important context you present it as a political point for what you perceive to be your side. In fact, strict gun control does not prevent political assassinations. It didn't prevent it in Russia, in Japan, nowhere. So all arguments that "he wouldn't get assassinated if we didn't have 2nd amendment" are simply not valid and proven wrong. Since I think you didn't really read into the full text of a quote in question, I'll provide you a link [0]. [0]: https://cleverjourneys.com/2025/09/15/full-text-of-charlie-kirks-quote-about-americas-gun-rights/ https://cleverjourneys.com/2025/09/15/full-text-of-charlie-k...
      - text0404 1y ago
        Your link doesn't prove me wrong? It's what he said: "You will never live in a society when you have an armed citizenry and you won’t have a single gun death. That is nonsense. It’s drivel. But I am, I, I — I think it’s worth it. I think it’s worth it to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the Second Amendment to protect our other God-given rights." That's his point of view. He became a victim of gun violence which he said is worth the cost. > This is, of course, a lie. By omitting important context you present it as a political point for what you perceive to be your side. Thanks for projecting! Try to focus on what we're discussing instead of descending into ad hominem. > strict gun control does not prevent political assassinations. It didn't prevent it in Russia, in Japan, nowhere I'm not discussing political assassinations, and neither was Kirk. I'm discussing Kirk's own views on gun violence in the United States and the "cost" of unrestricted access to firearms, of which he himself was a victim. Political assassinations are a small subset of this "cost." Would you like to compare the number of mass shooting events in these countries, or is it too inconvenient that the US is #1 in mass/school shootings?
- Andrew_nenakhov 1y ago
  > government swiftly, immediately and directly cancelling a show from a private company That appears to be a false statement. Private company made that decision on their own after public pressured it to. A fitting quote by no other but Mr Kimmel himself, who said this in a very similar situation: I want to say kudos to my bosses at ABC for doing the right thing and canceling Roseanne’s show today. It’s not an easy thing to do when a show is successful, but it’s the right thing.
- Andrew_nenakhov 1y ago
  Btw, the latest news just dropped:. somehow private company defied the 'fascist' government and reinstated the cancelled show in question. Uh oh how do you even explain it to yourself?!

SilverElfin 1y ago

Are we ignoring the vast censorship schemes on social media that all lean left? You can’t discuss certain topics or viewpoints in these public squares at all. Both sides are capable of acting against a free speech. But I think in the last 10 years in America, it has been the left acting against it.

Capricorn2481 1y ago
Can you name a platform capable of censorship, other than Reddit, that leans left?
- Andrew_nenakhov 1y ago
  From my experience, YouTube, Wikipedia, Facebook. I can't personally say about BlueSky, but I heard it is a very left leaning also.
- SilverElfin 1y ago
  TikTok. Bluesky (more nuances here). YouTube. Maybe it has reduced a bit in YouTube. But it’s still there.
  - HankStallone 1y ago
    Last year, YouTube removed a video I posted in 2017, supposedly for "medical misinformation." When I watched my copy to see what the heck they were talking about, I had to laugh, because I wasn't sharing a medical opinion at all. I was pointing to vaccines as an example of an issue on which Google might someday censor one side if things continued as they were going. Nice of them to prove my point, I guess.

Andrew_nenakhov 1y ago

You must have been asleep for the last 10+ years when leftist cancel culture was all the rage. Should I remind you how LEFT reacted to deplatforming Trump, Parler, Gab, firing of Carlsen? Everyone of note cheered for it and celebrated. Now, when they are getting some slight taste of their own medicine and act very very upset: they can't to that to us!!!