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Many states are [edit: almost] completely able to stop shoplifters. If yours is not, think long and hard about your choices at the next election. Edit: I do lo

Many states are [edit: almost] completely able to stop shoplifters. If yours is not, think long and hard about your choices at the next election. Edit: I do love the down votes. It kind of proves the point. People want to complain, but don’t want to do anything about it or hold themselves responsible for the fact that they are the ones who chose the situation they are in. Literally. At the ballot box.

wat10000 1y ago
What state has a zero shoplifting rate? You're being downvoted because you made a politically motivated statement that's very clearly untrue.
- dmitrygr 1y ago
  If the statement that actually enforcing law will lower crime is politically motivated, then I’m afraid to ask what statement isn’t. Is it OK to state that 2+2 = 4, or does that have political undertones too?
  - freedomben 1y ago
    Note that you didn't answer the question about which state has zero shoplifting. > Many states are completely able to stop shoplifters. In your defense, you didn't claim zero explicitly (but did heavily imply it), but you also ignored the question
    - dmitrygr 1y ago
      No state has zero, many have very much less than others and do not see need to close stored due to loss or lock up basics behind plastic doors. Living in a few states in close succession really shows it off. Living in CA desensitizes you to it, until you go somewhere else and realize just how much desensitized to it you've become.
  - wat10000 1y ago
    You didn't say that "actually enforcing law will lower crime." You said "Many states are completely able to stop shoplifters." And then you tied it to voting. The initial statement is bullshit and the tie to voting makes it politically-motivated bullshit.
    - dmitrygr 1y ago
      I've seen a shoplifter tackled to ground in AZ by loss prevention a few times. One resulted in a broken nose. I bet that person will not shoplift again. And I spent years in CA watching shoplifters walk out and store personnel saying they are NOT allowed to do anything and they were told to not call police since they do nothing and waste time. Difference? one state voted to decriminalize shoplifting below a certain amount and one did not.
      - wat10000 1y ago
        Shoplifting is criminal in both CA and AZ. If this is some "it's just a misdemeanor which isn't really criminal" nonsense, misdemeanors are still crimes, and the threshold for a felony is actually slightly higher in AZ ($1,000 versus $950).
  - jfyi 1y ago
    To be fair... you didn't make the statement that "enforcing law will lower crime". You made the statement that "Many states are completely able to stop shoplifters", which is hyperbole at best and a bad faith argument at worst.
stickfigure 1y ago
The larceny/theft rate in Kansas City, MO is between 5X and 10X the rate of San Francisco, CA. Remind me again who I should be voting for?
- dmitrygr 1y ago
  I get you are outraged. It hurts to hear things you dislike, but please, simply go talk to a store owner in CA. Ask them the last time they bothered to call police for shoplifting. Sit down. Think what statistics would show when people GIVE UP on law enforcement. Or, simply google it, check it on reddit, facebook, nextdoor. It is well understood that police in CA do not respond to thefts and do not care about them. It is internalized to point that nobody bothers to call.
  - stickfigure 1y ago
    I get that you listen to fact-free news. But violent crime statistics don't lie and they show that you're much more likely to be victimized in a red state. I live in California and no, it is not "well understood" that police do not care about thefts. I watched police catch shoplifters right in the middle of SF. As always, cities full of people aren't perfect, but don't imagine for a second that red states have it better. Tell me, where do you live? I'd like to know what your direct experience of California is.
    - mothballed 1y ago
      If you look at say homicide rate it looks to matches closer to where black people are than by political party https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_territories_by_African-American_population#/media/File:African_Americans_by_state.svg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_territ... https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/92/Intentional_Homicide_Rate_by_U.S._State.svg/2560px-Intentional_Homicide_Rate_by_U.S._State.svg.png https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/92/In... The lowest or next to lowest is New Hampshire.... which is a red state with constitutional carry, very few gun restrictions, no background checks in private transfers, and one of the whitest states in the union next to Vermont (which I think is close to if not #2). NH is red and VT is blue IIRC.

wat10000 1y ago

What state has a zero shoplifting rate? You're being downvoted because you made a politically motivated statement that's very clearly untrue.

dmitrygr 1y ago
If the statement that actually enforcing law will lower crime is politically motivated, then I’m afraid to ask what statement isn’t. Is it OK to state that 2+2 = 4, or does that have political undertones too?
- freedomben 1y ago
  Note that you didn't answer the question about which state has zero shoplifting. > Many states are completely able to stop shoplifters. In your defense, you didn't claim zero explicitly (but did heavily imply it), but you also ignored the question
  - dmitrygr 1y ago
    No state has zero, many have very much less than others and do not see need to close stored due to loss or lock up basics behind plastic doors. Living in a few states in close succession really shows it off. Living in CA desensitizes you to it, until you go somewhere else and realize just how much desensitized to it you've become.
- wat10000 1y ago
  You didn't say that "actually enforcing law will lower crime." You said "Many states are completely able to stop shoplifters." And then you tied it to voting. The initial statement is bullshit and the tie to voting makes it politically-motivated bullshit.
  - dmitrygr 1y ago
    I've seen a shoplifter tackled to ground in AZ by loss prevention a few times. One resulted in a broken nose. I bet that person will not shoplift again. And I spent years in CA watching shoplifters walk out and store personnel saying they are NOT allowed to do anything and they were told to not call police since they do nothing and waste time. Difference? one state voted to decriminalize shoplifting below a certain amount and one did not.
    - wat10000 1y ago
      Shoplifting is criminal in both CA and AZ. If this is some "it's just a misdemeanor which isn't really criminal" nonsense, misdemeanors are still crimes, and the threshold for a felony is actually slightly higher in AZ ($1,000 versus $950).
- jfyi 1y ago
  To be fair... you didn't make the statement that "enforcing law will lower crime". You made the statement that "Many states are completely able to stop shoplifters", which is hyperbole at best and a bad faith argument at worst.

stickfigure 1y ago

The larceny/theft rate in Kansas City, MO is between 5X and 10X the rate of San Francisco, CA. Remind me again who I should be voting for?

dmitrygr 1y ago
I get you are outraged. It hurts to hear things you dislike, but please, simply go talk to a store owner in CA. Ask them the last time they bothered to call police for shoplifting. Sit down. Think what statistics would show when people GIVE UP on law enforcement. Or, simply google it, check it on reddit, facebook, nextdoor. It is well understood that police in CA do not respond to thefts and do not care about them. It is internalized to point that nobody bothers to call.
- stickfigure 1y ago
  I get that you listen to fact-free news. But violent crime statistics don't lie and they show that you're much more likely to be victimized in a red state. I live in California and no, it is not "well understood" that police do not care about thefts. I watched police catch shoplifters right in the middle of SF. As always, cities full of people aren't perfect, but don't imagine for a second that red states have it better. Tell me, where do you live? I'd like to know what your direct experience of California is.
  - mothballed 1y ago
    If you look at say homicide rate it looks to matches closer to where black people are than by political party https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_territories_by_African-American_population#/media/File:African_Americans_by_state.svg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_territ... https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/92/Intentional_Homicide_Rate_by_U.S._State.svg/2560px-Intentional_Homicide_Rate_by_U.S._State.svg.png https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/92/In... The lowest or next to lowest is New Hampshire.... which is a red state with constitutional carry, very few gun restrictions, no background checks in private transfers, and one of the whitest states in the union next to Vermont (which I think is close to if not #2). NH is red and VT is blue IIRC.