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> The one thing we need to clamp down is allowing people to avoid paying for the society that makes wealth possible. How does society make this wealth possible

> The one thing we need to clamp down is allowing people to avoid paying for the society that makes wealth possible. How does society make this wealth possible? Things like roads or schooling or electricity are deserving of a fee for the service provided. Not a perpetual share of your wealth. Imagine if every business you purchase from did the same thing. It doesn’t make sense. As an example, nothing SF does (as a government) causes it to be a good place to build companies. That’s just network effects between VCs and founders and others. If the ecosystem were elsewhere it would still function just as well.

jmyeet 1y ago
> How does society make this wealth possible? You're kidding right? A stable society is necessary for wealth to exist. A lot goes into creating a stable society. Education, law and order, roads, access to food and drinking water, affordable shelter and giving people hope for their futures. War and revolution are the ultimate forms of wealth redistribution. It's why the descendants of the descendants of monarchs and wealthy families don't control all the wealth today. Leftists (of which I include myself) are demonized by neofeudal serfs who have replaced Catholicism with Capitalism but all we're trying to do is avoid the outcome we're hurtling towards where the heads of the wealthy end up on spikes outside the city walls and we have land reforms.
- ghurtado 1y ago
  > You're kidding right? A stable society is necessary for wealth to exist. Unfortunately, you are not going to reach this kind of "temporarily embarrassed millionaire" with logic. These people think that "wealth" is some kind of magical golden poop that millionaires produce every day from their golden toilets, for the betterment of society. "trickle down" economics I believe they call it. How do you even begin to talk to someone like that?
  - rhubarbtree 1y ago
    I think this is accurate and it applies to both sides of the spectrum. It’s just impossible to engage with polarised people. Either you’re open minded and humble, and able to learn, or you’re certain you’re correct and angry about it. This is social media’s bequest to humanity. I don’t know how people can work for those companies. Social media was the death of nuance, critical thinking, and self-reflection.
ghurtado 1y ago
> electricity are deserving of a fee for the service provided You should take your revolutionary business ideas and make a business with them. Anyway, I'm gonna go pay my power bill.
rhubarbtree 1y ago
Unsure if sarcasm or genuine. This reminds of silly lines like “all tax is theft”. It’s hard to even counter such absurdities. I think you’ll find education, infrastructure, the financial system - those small things governments create and maintain - are somewhat essential to having a society that enables companies to exist. I don’t really know what else to say.

jmyeet 1y ago

> How does society make this wealth possible? You're kidding right? A stable society is necessary for wealth to exist. A lot goes into creating a stable society. Education, law and order, roads, access to food and drinking water, affordable shelter and giving people hope for their futures. War and revolution are the ultimate forms of wealth redistribution. It's why the descendants of the descendants of monarchs and wealthy families don't control all the wealth today. Leftists (of which I include myself) are demonized by neofeudal serfs who have replaced Catholicism with Capitalism but all we're trying to do is avoid the outcome we're hurtling towards where the heads of the wealthy end up on spikes outside the city walls and we have land reforms.

ghurtado 1y ago
> You're kidding right? A stable society is necessary for wealth to exist. Unfortunately, you are not going to reach this kind of "temporarily embarrassed millionaire" with logic. These people think that "wealth" is some kind of magical golden poop that millionaires produce every day from their golden toilets, for the betterment of society. "trickle down" economics I believe they call it. How do you even begin to talk to someone like that?
- rhubarbtree 1y ago
  I think this is accurate and it applies to both sides of the spectrum. It’s just impossible to engage with polarised people. Either you’re open minded and humble, and able to learn, or you’re certain you’re correct and angry about it. This is social media’s bequest to humanity. I don’t know how people can work for those companies. Social media was the death of nuance, critical thinking, and self-reflection.

ghurtado 1y ago

> electricity are deserving of a fee for the service provided You should take your revolutionary business ideas and make a business with them. Anyway, I'm gonna go pay my power bill.

rhubarbtree 1y ago

Unsure if sarcasm or genuine. This reminds of silly lines like “all tax is theft”. It’s hard to even counter such absurdities. I think you’ll find education, infrastructure, the financial system - those small things governments create and maintain - are somewhat essential to having a society that enables companies to exist. I don’t really know what else to say.