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Battery life is the only thing stopping me from getting out of the Apple ecosystem. As soon as a viable Linux laptop with "enough" battery life becomes availabl

Battery life is the only thing stopping me from getting out of the Apple ecosystem. As soon as a viable Linux laptop with "enough" battery life becomes available, I'll make the switch. At that point there's nothing on Apple side that couldn't be done better in Linux (with a bit of work, but that's okay). I travel a lot, and often on standby for work during that time. I need to be confident that when I pull the laptop out, there's ALWAYS enough juice to respond to a situation immediately without worrying about anything else. If Framework offered hot swappable batteries, even if a quick restart is required, I'd be fine with that because at least I wouldn't be stranded in that case. And I'd be happy to pay as much as a MacBook, or a bit more even, purely for ideological reasons. Apple's dominance is bad for all of us.

bo1024 1y ago
I think you could shut down a framework, swap the battery, and boot back up in probably 3 minutes or maybe only 1.
- dhosek 1y ago
  My first Apple laptop, a Titanium PowerBook, you could sleep the machine and swap the battery and not have to reboot.
- adolph 1y ago
  > swap the battery I count 14, 8 and 5 screws to swap the battery: https://guides.frame.work/Guide/Battery/425 https://guides.frame.work/Guide/Battery/425 https://guides.frame.work/Guide/Battery+Replacement+Guide/85?lang=en https://guides.frame.work/Guide/Battery+Replacement+Guide/85... https://guides.frame.work/Guide/Battery/278?lang=en https://guides.frame.work/Guide/Battery/278?lang=en
sedatk 1y ago
Windows ARM laptops are quite good in that regard, but I'm not sure how close they're to Macs.
eigenspace 1y ago
Instead of a hot-swappable battery, why not just carry a large battery-bank that can charge your laptop over USB-C? That way you don't even need to reboot. Browsing around on Amazon, I see there's actually quite a few battery banks that with over 60W of output, and ~100Wh of capacity for under 100€
- WorldPeas 1y ago
  I assume for the same reason some people like integrated WWAN modems, it's annoying to have a device dangling off the side
- sedatk 1y ago
  > why not just carry a large battery-bank Not being allowed to use those on an airplane could be one reason.
  - flexagoon 1y ago
    You can use a power bank up to 100Wh on a plane, which can be enough for a laptop
  - eigenspace 1y ago
    I specifically mentioned under 100Wh because that's the limit for planes.
- nottorp 1y ago
  > why not just carry a large battery-bank And a mouse, because non apple laptops are hard to use with just the trackpad. And the huge power adapter for the "gaming" laptop. ... sadly, it means I'll have to stick to Apple hardware for longer. As much as I think Cook is an idiot who's trying to dumb their products down to the point they're not even usable for power users, let alone developers.
  - flexagoon 1y ago
    > And the huge power adapter for the "gaming" laptop. Not if you get a properly standard-compliant laptop that uses USB PD for charging (like Framework)
us-merul 1y ago
I really haven’t had a problem with my Lemur Pro from System76, which I got in spring of 2022. I did have to replace the battery once when there was noticeable swelling. Prior to this, I had always used a MacBook.
isametry 1y ago
When you say "Apple's dominance", are you referring to a potential dominance? Because in terms of actual dominance, Apple is far from that in laptops. Lenovo, HP and Dell each sell more laptops than Apple, and those three alone make up 60% of the market. https://www.industryresearch.biz/market-reports/mobile-computer-market-100157 https://www.industryresearch.biz/market-reports/mobile-compu...
- mixmastamyk 1y ago
  Dominance in power efficiency perhaps.
- alansammarone 1y ago
  Completely disproportionate, off the charts dominance (relative to everything else I have tried in (mostly hardware, but also software) quality, attention to detail and UI/UX would be my opinion. Power consumption would be part of that. Granted, I haven't tried most of the newer niche Linux-focused laptops, which I intend to do.
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  - nicce 1y ago
    Have to say that UI/UX suffered a lot at least on iOS side with the latest OS releases.
ozgrakkurt 1y ago
You are forgetting the touchpad, it does make a difference
kminehart 1y ago
There's a few things for me, and the saddest part is I'm a very die-hard Linux user. Until a couple months ago when I had to start traveling, I've been using Linux exclusively for work. 1. The battery life, as others have mentioned. 2. The quality of the hardware: The screen is incredibly nice, the trackpad is VERY nice to use, and no other laptop has even come close. 3. It's so quiet. The fans almost never spin unless I've been compiling something for over a minute. I don't know how they do it but any other Linux laptop I've used, including desktops, have been super loud when running similar tasks.
qudat 1y ago
Just get a power bank for your laptop. I know it’s not the best solution but $100 and you have a battery pack you can use for all your devices
martin82 1y ago
How can LLM inference be done better on non Linux? I can run models on my 96GB RAM MacBook Pro incredibly well. As soon as someone tells me how this can be done in Linux, I'm ready to switch.

bo1024 1y ago

I think you could shut down a framework, swap the battery, and boot back up in probably 3 minutes or maybe only 1.

dhosek 1y ago
My first Apple laptop, a Titanium PowerBook, you could sleep the machine and swap the battery and not have to reboot.
adolph 1y ago
> swap the battery I count 14, 8 and 5 screws to swap the battery: https://guides.frame.work/Guide/Battery/425 https://guides.frame.work/Guide/Battery/425 https://guides.frame.work/Guide/Battery+Replacement+Guide/85?lang=en https://guides.frame.work/Guide/Battery+Replacement+Guide/85... https://guides.frame.work/Guide/Battery/278?lang=en https://guides.frame.work/Guide/Battery/278?lang=en

sedatk 1y ago

Windows ARM laptops are quite good in that regard, but I'm not sure how close they're to Macs.

eigenspace 1y ago

Instead of a hot-swappable battery, why not just carry a large battery-bank that can charge your laptop over USB-C? That way you don't even need to reboot. Browsing around on Amazon, I see there's actually quite a few battery banks that with over 60W of output, and ~100Wh of capacity for under 100€

WorldPeas 1y ago
I assume for the same reason some people like integrated WWAN modems, it's annoying to have a device dangling off the side
sedatk 1y ago
> why not just carry a large battery-bank Not being allowed to use those on an airplane could be one reason.
- flexagoon 1y ago
  You can use a power bank up to 100Wh on a plane, which can be enough for a laptop
- eigenspace 1y ago
  I specifically mentioned under 100Wh because that's the limit for planes.
nottorp 1y ago
> why not just carry a large battery-bank And a mouse, because non apple laptops are hard to use with just the trackpad. And the huge power adapter for the "gaming" laptop. ... sadly, it means I'll have to stick to Apple hardware for longer. As much as I think Cook is an idiot who's trying to dumb their products down to the point they're not even usable for power users, let alone developers.
- flexagoon 1y ago
  > And the huge power adapter for the "gaming" laptop. Not if you get a properly standard-compliant laptop that uses USB PD for charging (like Framework)

us-merul 1y ago

I really haven’t had a problem with my Lemur Pro from System76, which I got in spring of 2022. I did have to replace the battery once when there was noticeable swelling. Prior to this, I had always used a MacBook.

isametry 1y ago

When you say "Apple's dominance", are you referring to a potential dominance? Because in terms of actual dominance, Apple is far from that in laptops. Lenovo, HP and Dell each sell more laptops than Apple, and those three alone make up 60% of the market. https://www.industryresearch.biz/market-reports/mobile-computer-market-100157 https://www.industryresearch.biz/market-reports/mobile-compu...

mixmastamyk 1y ago
Dominance in power efficiency perhaps.
alansammarone 1y ago
Completely disproportionate, off the charts dominance (relative to everything else I have tried in (mostly hardware, but also software) quality, attention to detail and UI/UX would be my opinion. Power consumption would be part of that. Granted, I haven't tried most of the newer niche Linux-focused laptops, which I intend to do.
- deleted 1y ago
  [deleted]
- nicce 1y ago
  Have to say that UI/UX suffered a lot at least on iOS side with the latest OS releases.

ozgrakkurt 1y ago

You are forgetting the touchpad, it does make a difference

kminehart 1y ago

There's a few things for me, and the saddest part is I'm a very die-hard Linux user. Until a couple months ago when I had to start traveling, I've been using Linux exclusively for work. 1. The battery life, as others have mentioned. 2. The quality of the hardware: The screen is incredibly nice, the trackpad is VERY nice to use, and no other laptop has even come close. 3. It's so quiet. The fans almost never spin unless I've been compiling something for over a minute. I don't know how they do it but any other Linux laptop I've used, including desktops, have been super loud when running similar tasks.

qudat 1y ago

Just get a power bank for your laptop. I know it’s not the best solution but $100 and you have a battery pack you can use for all your devices

martin82 1y ago

How can LLM inference be done better on non Linux? I can run models on my 96GB RAM MacBook Pro incredibly well. As soon as someone tells me how this can be done in Linux, I'm ready to switch.