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Are you a gnome user? Linux Mint with Cinnamon is bliss. Or well anything else, you are absolutely spoiled for choice with Desktop Environments in Linux. There

Are you a gnome user? Linux Mint with Cinnamon is bliss. Or well anything else, you are absolutely spoiled for choice with Desktop Environments in Linux. There is the perfect one for everyone. At least if you use X11, wayland is still a turd. I found the Mac Desktop absolutely unusable for any development work as it comes out of the box. You need a metric ton of third-party extensions for simple stuff like proper alt-tab support or custom shortcuts. An configuration is supper limited. And it will get so much worse with the whole glasses ui thing.

dsego 1y ago
> You are absolutely spoiled for choice with Desktop Environments in Linux. That is both a pro and a con. For someone offering tech support or writing documentation it's a pretty big negative.
jebarker 1y ago
> as it comes out of the box This doesn’t seem like a fair way to evaluate MacOS given the effort involved in configuring a Linux installation
Aurornis 1y ago
> Linux Mint with Cinnamon is bliss. This is one of my go-tos when I need a VM, so I’m familiar. > I found the Mac Desktop absolutely unusable for any development work as it comes out of the box. But why are we comparing vanilla macOS to an extreme customized Linux setup as if they’re the same thing? Why one set of rules for one platform but those criteria are suspended for Linux, where we get to assume some specific set of perfectly configured everything? This is the hyperbole that I can’t really take seriously. Calling it “absolutely unusable” just isn’t something I can take seriously. I understand that some people like to customize their environments to the Nth degree and can’t live without their personal set of customizations, but that’s personal preferences. Calling other platforms “absolutely unusable” or “vastly inferior” is just an exaggeration when millions of devs use them just fine.
- cardanome 1y ago
  > But why are we comparing vanilla macOS to an extreme customized Linux setup as if they’re the same thing? Why one set of rules for one platform but those criteria are suspended for Linux, where we get to assume some specific set of perfectly configured everything? My Linux Mint installation is actually barely customized. It absolutely works out of the box. I disabled a few animations and selected a different theme and added like three extra shortcuts but that is it. Nothing that would take more than ten minutes. I was comparing the vanilla experience. And yes, I should have specified that I am talking about my needs. I totally believe that the Mac Desktop might be better for the average user but that is no me.
- lynndotpy 1y ago
  > But why are we comparing vanilla macOS to an extreme customized Linux setup as if they’re the same thing? Your assumption that these Linux setups are "extremely customized" is wrong. Personally, I hate configuring or customizing much at all. The appeal of Linux is that there are distros that come configured out-of-the-box pretty much as I like it, whereas MacOS and especially Windows requires configuration and constant upkeep and maintenance. (MacOS doesn't even come with a decent terminal, for starters.) For me, my main problem with MacOS is that it's full of looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong animations that you can not disable or remove. Disabling animations (or setting them to be <10ms long) is one of the few configurations I like to do. But this is not even an option on Apple's operating systems. It's like running through molasses in a dream-- it's so damnedly and artificially slow.
  - torstenvl 1y ago
    What makes you say it isn't an option? defaults write com.apple.finder DisableAllAnimations -bool true
    - lynndotpy 1y ago
      Because there is no option to disable all animations. Despite the name, that doesn't disable all animations. (In fact, I couldn't even find an animation that does remove.)
Klonoar 1y ago
Other OS’s handling of “alt-tab” does not make it de facto “proper”. You are trying to use macOS like your other favorite OS(s). This is not how macOS has ever worked, and the macOS approach is more than fine for millions of people.
- cardanome 1y ago
  I doesn't matter if it is fine for millions of people if it isn't fine for me.
  - Klonoar 1y ago
    None of that matters when it was your poor description being corrected.

dsego 1y ago

> You are absolutely spoiled for choice with Desktop Environments in Linux. That is both a pro and a con. For someone offering tech support or writing documentation it's a pretty big negative.

jebarker 1y ago

> as it comes out of the box This doesn’t seem like a fair way to evaluate MacOS given the effort involved in configuring a Linux installation

Aurornis 1y ago

> Linux Mint with Cinnamon is bliss. This is one of my go-tos when I need a VM, so I’m familiar. > I found the Mac Desktop absolutely unusable for any development work as it comes out of the box. But why are we comparing vanilla macOS to an extreme customized Linux setup as if they’re the same thing? Why one set of rules for one platform but those criteria are suspended for Linux, where we get to assume some specific set of perfectly configured everything? This is the hyperbole that I can’t really take seriously. Calling it “absolutely unusable” just isn’t something I can take seriously. I understand that some people like to customize their environments to the Nth degree and can’t live without their personal set of customizations, but that’s personal preferences. Calling other platforms “absolutely unusable” or “vastly inferior” is just an exaggeration when millions of devs use them just fine.

cardanome 1y ago
> But why are we comparing vanilla macOS to an extreme customized Linux setup as if they’re the same thing? Why one set of rules for one platform but those criteria are suspended for Linux, where we get to assume some specific set of perfectly configured everything? My Linux Mint installation is actually barely customized. It absolutely works out of the box. I disabled a few animations and selected a different theme and added like three extra shortcuts but that is it. Nothing that would take more than ten minutes. I was comparing the vanilla experience. And yes, I should have specified that I am talking about my needs. I totally believe that the Mac Desktop might be better for the average user but that is no me.
lynndotpy 1y ago
> But why are we comparing vanilla macOS to an extreme customized Linux setup as if they’re the same thing? Your assumption that these Linux setups are "extremely customized" is wrong. Personally, I hate configuring or customizing much at all. The appeal of Linux is that there are distros that come configured out-of-the-box pretty much as I like it, whereas MacOS and especially Windows requires configuration and constant upkeep and maintenance. (MacOS doesn't even come with a decent terminal, for starters.) For me, my main problem with MacOS is that it's full of looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong animations that you can not disable or remove. Disabling animations (or setting them to be <10ms long) is one of the few configurations I like to do. But this is not even an option on Apple's operating systems. It's like running through molasses in a dream-- it's so damnedly and artificially slow.
- torstenvl 1y ago
  What makes you say it isn't an option? defaults write com.apple.finder DisableAllAnimations -bool true
  - lynndotpy 1y ago
    Because there is no option to disable all animations. Despite the name, that doesn't disable all animations. (In fact, I couldn't even find an animation that does remove.)

Klonoar 1y ago

Other OS’s handling of “alt-tab” does not make it de facto “proper”. You are trying to use macOS like your other favorite OS(s). This is not how macOS has ever worked, and the macOS approach is more than fine for millions of people.

cardanome 1y ago
I doesn't matter if it is fine for millions of people if it isn't fine for me.
- Klonoar 1y ago
  None of that matters when it was your poor description being corrected.