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I know Windows laptops are very finicky and unreliable. For example, loads of people complain that $3000 Razer laptops break after a few months. I guess I'm mo

I know Windows laptops are very finicky and unreliable. For example, loads of people complain that $3000 Razer laptops break after a few months. I guess I'm mostly talking about Apple overall. You're paying a lot more money for self-repairability. Frameworks are generally more expensive than Macs, sometimes 50% - 100% more expensive for a similar laptop. That's crazy. Macs are tanks. Not a single issue with my 4 year old M1 Air. Even if there is an issue, I can still take it to an Apple Store to get it looked at.

corndoge 1y ago
> Frameworks are generally more expensive than Macs, sometimes 50% - 100% more expensive for a similar laptop. Do you have an example? An 8tb m4 macbook pro runs over 7 grand; the comparable hx370 framework 13 is barely over 3 grand. I bought both within the last couple months and found the macs to be significantly more expensive in the segment i was looking at.
- aurareturn 1y ago
  You can buy an M4 Air for $799 on sale frequently.[0] Meanwhile, a similar spec'ed Framework with a slower AMD CPU/GPU is $1,517.00.[1] So the repairability angle just doesn't seem worth it. If the Air breaks, just buy a new one. Keep in mind that the M4 Air has a better display, significantly faster CPU, faster GPU, significantly more battery life, is fanless, better speakers, much better trackpad, and a thinner profile. [0]https://www.macrumors.com/2025/08/27/200-off-every-m4-macbook-air/ https://www.macrumors.com/2025/08/27/200-off-every-m4-macboo... [1]https://frame.work/products/laptop13-diy-amd-ai300/configuration/new https://frame.work/products/laptop13-diy-amd-ai300/configura...
  - abhinavk 1y ago
    It is mostly valid for 16GB/256GB-SSD config and when you need performance in bursts. Consider sustained performance, more RAM, more storage, OS options etc and the value proposition changes. I have maintained it for years that the base model M-series Air is the best computer for normal people if they plan to keep it for years.
    - aurareturn 1y ago
      It likely still has better sustained performance. If you need more, then just go up to MBP.
kijjure 1y ago
That can't possibly be true. I was recently considering my first ever Apple laptop but I would be paying a fortune to get RAM and storage anywhere close to offerings from any other vendor. And I've heard they're difficult or impossible to upgrade myself, so I can't even select a base model now and add more later.

corndoge 1y ago

> Frameworks are generally more expensive than Macs, sometimes 50% - 100% more expensive for a similar laptop. Do you have an example? An 8tb m4 macbook pro runs over 7 grand; the comparable hx370 framework 13 is barely over 3 grand. I bought both within the last couple months and found the macs to be significantly more expensive in the segment i was looking at.

aurareturn 1y ago
You can buy an M4 Air for $799 on sale frequently.[0] Meanwhile, a similar spec'ed Framework with a slower AMD CPU/GPU is $1,517.00.[1] So the repairability angle just doesn't seem worth it. If the Air breaks, just buy a new one. Keep in mind that the M4 Air has a better display, significantly faster CPU, faster GPU, significantly more battery life, is fanless, better speakers, much better trackpad, and a thinner profile. [0]https://www.macrumors.com/2025/08/27/200-off-every-m4-macbook-air/ https://www.macrumors.com/2025/08/27/200-off-every-m4-macboo... [1]https://frame.work/products/laptop13-diy-amd-ai300/configuration/new https://frame.work/products/laptop13-diy-amd-ai300/configura...
- abhinavk 1y ago
  It is mostly valid for 16GB/256GB-SSD config and when you need performance in bursts. Consider sustained performance, more RAM, more storage, OS options etc and the value proposition changes. I have maintained it for years that the base model M-series Air is the best computer for normal people if they plan to keep it for years.
  - aurareturn 1y ago
    It likely still has better sustained performance. If you need more, then just go up to MBP.

kijjure 1y ago

That can't possibly be true. I was recently considering my first ever Apple laptop but I would be paying a fortune to get RAM and storage anywhere close to offerings from any other vendor. And I've heard they're difficult or impossible to upgrade myself, so I can't even select a base model now and add more later.