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He lies relentlessly even to customers who paid for the product. I know because I’m one of them. FSD paid in full almost seven years ago, still does absolutely
by pavlov 1y ago
He lies relentlessly even to customers who paid for the product.
I know because I’m one of them. FSD paid in full almost seven years ago, still does absolutely nothing in Europe. A five-year-old would do a better job at driving because the Tesla can’t even see speed limit signs correctly.
Tesla takes no responsibility for their misleading marketing and years of lies. Most recently Musk promised in early 2025 that these old cars would get a hardware update that will finally enable the paid-for FSD (as if…) The company itself pretends to know nothing about this latest promise made by its CEO.
It’s insane that a business with a trillion-dollar market cap operates like this. It seems to be more of a cult than a real company.
- bayindirh 1y ago> because the Tesla can’t even see speed limit signs correctly. This is sad and atrocious. Not only a Ford Puma (an econobox compared to a Tesla) can read almost all speed limit signs correctly, it can pull speed limit data correctly from its onboard maps when there are no signs. These maps can be updated via WiFi or an on board modem too. Tesla mocked "big auto industry", but that elephant proved that it can run if it needs to.
- cozzyd 1y agoI think Elon would say that this is a regulatory problem because you guys don't have the same signs or distance units as in the US.
- samrus 1y agoSo why take money for it? And computer vision is well past the stage where the information can be read from these signs, theres enough training data. So thats not a real hurdle. If different road geometry or traffic customs/rules is the issue then just admit that FSD cant generalize like a human and is overfit to the us. Why lie and pretend its almost human level?
- cozzyd 1y agoI was being a bit factious (related to Elon's previous bullshit claims that it was only a regulatory issue that everybody's Tesla can't moonlight as a robotaxi by the end of some year in the past...sure Elon).
- enslavedrobot 1y agoIt is purely a regulatory problem. FSD is not available in Europe due to the slow pace of regulatory approval. For instance UNECE regulation 79 prevents FSD from using its full capacity to turn the steering wheel. It's a rat's nest of red tape.
- pavlov 1y agoHow do EU regulations prevent my car from recognizing speed limit signs? The real problem is that Tesla sold this in Europe, but never put the slightest effort towards actually developing the localized ML model that could make it work. (Of course the hardware sucks too, but they could have done a much better job with it.)
- enslavedrobot 1y agoThe reason is because mobileye patented (US20080137908A1) it and won't let tesla use it.
- pavlov 1y agoIf that's the case, why didn't Tesla just issue refunds to us customers in Europe? If it's really due to a patent, that just makes it worse. Tesla has known all along that they can't deliver the product they sold.
- enslavedrobot 1y agoThe cars drive themselves incredibly well in US, Canada, China, and Australia The iEU is blocking deployment to protect their own automotive industry. Reading speed signs is not necessary for the system to function. In Canada my car drives the speed of traffic just fine. If you live in Europe regulatory sludge has robbed you of FSD not Tesla.
- skeeter2020 1y ago>> same signs or distance units yeah, how could we expect software developers to write code that can replaces "z" with "s", handle extra "u"s and divide numbers by 1.6? </s>
- whatevaa 1y agoWhy did you buy FSD if you are in Europe?
- pavlov 1y agoWhy did Tesla sell a 7,500 euro feature in Europe if they knew it’s never going to work? My mistake was assuming this company had the slightest decency to sell things they could actually deliver.
- anonymars 1y agoI will never understand why people ask why those who bought a thing expected to get that thing Isn't that the bare minimum requirement for how commerce is supposed to function?
- ryandrake 1y agoA surprising chunk of HN commenters earnestly believe that "caveat emptor" should be some kind of horrible default way of life. Like businesses should be able to sell anything they want, without regulation, as long as they can convince people to buy those things. And if those things don't work--well it's 100% the customer's fault for being so gullible and not being responsible for the company's quality.
- anonymars 1y agoI don't understand why people would want to live that way and argue against those who fight for better. But my guess is that it's a defense mechanism, essentially the Just World fallacy. "It would really suck to have that bad thing happen to me through no fault of my own. *spoink!* I'm careful (and smart) therefore bad things won't happen to me" (https://dilbert-viewer.herokuapp.com/1999-09-08 https://dilbert-viewer.herokuapp.com/1999-09-08)