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If it's not your money does it matter? I don't think it's fair to say he doesn't deliver anything e.g. he did cars, rockets, and now AI (the rate X are building
by mhh__ 1y ago
If it's not your money does it matter? I don't think it's fair to say he doesn't deliver anything e.g. he did cars, rockets, and now AI (the rate X are building out training capacity is genuinely astonishing) at the same time.
- _aavaa_ 1y agoYes it does matter. Money thrown away on his lies is money that isn’t invested on real projects.
- bilbo0s 1y agoI think the point is that if it's his money he's pissing away, then any other projects the money would have been spent on would have been equally dubious in any case. He's not going to, all of a sudden, become wise simply because he doesn't spend money on what he's spending money on. Did we give him wayyy too much free money via subsidies? Yes. But that was our mistake. And if we hadn't given it to him, we would have given it to some other scam artists somewhere or other. So even in the case of the counterfactual, we could expect a similar outcome. Just different scumbags.
- _aavaa_ 1y ago> And if we hadn't given it to him, we would have given it to some other scam artists somewhere or other. No we wouldn’t have. Not every dollar we give goes to scam artists. And there are a whole lot of industries and companies far less deceitful.
- panick21_ 1y agoOverall SpaceX is incredibly successful and Tesla is still reasonable successful. So money overall is hardly thrown away.
- lm28469 1y agoSuccess being defined here as "something that makes numbers go up in some capacity"
- nolok 1y agoFrom a stockholders point of view tesla is a massive success. From a car design and development point of view, it's a massive waste of lost opportunities. From a self driving interested person, it's a joke. Really depends on how you view things, in a purely money in the stock market aspect tesla is doing great.
- panick21_ 1y agoWell in the same measure of success that we use for every company.
- rhetocj23 1y agoNo. They are proxies. But not the truest measures of success.
- panick21_ 1y agoOk so how is SpaceX not succcessful. Please explain.
- JumpinJack_Cash 1y ago> > Ok so how is SpaceX not succcessful. Please explain. Only isolated people need Starklink and 95% of people on Earth live in urban cities with pop > 100,000. So it's a product for the 5%
- panick21_ 1y agoOk, great so fuck those people then right? What kind of absurd argument is that? Like any company that doesn't serve 100% of people on the planet is by definition not a success? That's the dumbest fucking argument I have ever heard and I hope you are not actually series about that. Because Apple doesn't serve 100% of the population either, so clearly Apple is not successful. By your logic right? And its not even true. People that live in big cities do a thing called 'flying' between big cities quite often. And Starlink is already starting to be dominant in the airline market, meaning all those city people, when they fly use Starlink. And Starlink is used in agriculture and mining, and shipping. So all those city people do actually use things that have Starlink in the supply chain. Common man, its fine to hate Musk, but at some point reality is a thing.
- lm28469 1y agoidk man, I'm not in the matrix deep enough to give a shit about "building out training capacity" of LLMs, I think there are way more important topics like not destroying the fabric of our society and political systems, but idk, I guess I'm just a far left antifa maniac terrorist or something
- mhh__ 1y agoYeah we should spend the money on the HR dept instead
- preisschild 1y agoSpaceX and the Starship development is heavily funded by tax-payer money...