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I think there should first be something resembling a state and only then it could be recognised. Now there isn't any entity that looks like an independent Pales

by kepeko 1y ago

I think there should first be something resembling a state and only then it could be recognised. Now there isn't any entity that looks like an independent Palestinian state. For that reason this recognition seems pointless to me although I'm sympathetic to finding a peaceful solution.

boston_clone 1y ago
Do you think it's possible that Israel's campaign of violence and destruction was to result in a scenario not unlike what you're describing: a land so thoroughly bombed and a people so controlled by terrorism that it barely resembles anything self-governing?
- givemeethekeys 1y ago
  None of the groups who rule Palestine have surrendered to Israel. The allies did not stop bombing Germany and Japan until they surrendered. Why do we expect Israel to behave differently than we would have?
NomDePlum 1y ago
That would be rewarding Israels actions though. Similarly your arguments apply to Israel as it doesn't meet all of the standard criteria of statehood, should it's statehood be revoked?
- kepeko 1y ago
  I don't think this from the point of view of who I'm rewarding. To me, Israel looks like a state with its independent foreign policy, army, government. How about Gaza/West Bank, no even before Oct 7 attacks it didn't look like a state. Israel is right now so much more powerful that it won't let Palestinians have independence. This situation is so strange I don't have time to write a more detailed answer about my opinions.
  - NomDePlum 1y ago
    Palestine is not allowed statehood by Israels actions, often illegal. Israels illegal settlements and apartheid regime should have resolved the discussion on statehood decades ago. The only moral viable solution I can see is 2 separate states. At this point support of anything else is supporting genocide and ethnic cleansing. If it doesn't happen then that is a deliberate choice of the US and I fear for the world never mind Israel or Palestine.

by kepeko 1y ago

boston_clone 1y ago

Do you think it's possible that Israel's campaign of violence and destruction was to result in a scenario not unlike what you're describing: a land so thoroughly bombed and a people so controlled by terrorism that it barely resembles anything self-governing?

givemeethekeys 1y ago
None of the groups who rule Palestine have surrendered to Israel. The allies did not stop bombing Germany and Japan until they surrendered. Why do we expect Israel to behave differently than we would have?

NomDePlum 1y ago

That would be rewarding Israels actions though. Similarly your arguments apply to Israel as it doesn't meet all of the standard criteria of statehood, should it's statehood be revoked?

kepeko 1y ago
I don't think this from the point of view of who I'm rewarding. To me, Israel looks like a state with its independent foreign policy, army, government. How about Gaza/West Bank, no even before Oct 7 attacks it didn't look like a state. Israel is right now so much more powerful that it won't let Palestinians have independence. This situation is so strange I don't have time to write a more detailed answer about my opinions.
- NomDePlum 1y ago
  Palestine is not allowed statehood by Israels actions, often illegal. Israels illegal settlements and apartheid regime should have resolved the discussion on statehood decades ago. The only moral viable solution I can see is 2 separate states. At this point support of anything else is supporting genocide and ethnic cleansing. If it doesn't happen then that is a deliberate choice of the US and I fear for the world never mind Israel or Palestine.