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I'm always fascinated by the framing of Zionists which your comment aligns well. Palestine, or what remains of it Gaza and the West bank. Simply are resisting

I'm always fascinated by the framing of Zionists which your comment aligns well. Palestine, or what remains of it Gaza and the West bank. Simply are resisting an foreign occupation/invasion. Modern Israel was created through the Balfour declaration. To fight an invading force that is killing your people is very honourable, as old as tale. It is recognised as an occupation by all British governments in the last two decades, recognised as genocide by Jewish scholars, ICC/ICJ. The only people that think otherwise is Israel and it's followers. Further, there is no Hamas in the west bank yet we see gruesome killings of children there too. Attempting to hide behind anti-Semitism no longer works. Lastly, Israel has lost a new generation of young, infact it has educated them and their parents. Memories of Israel's horrible crimes will live on, and rightly the existence of Israel inside of Palestine will always be controversial.

raxxorraxor 1y ago
> Modern Israel was created through the Balfour declaration. False. Israel was established on its own by winning its war for independence and you are part of the remnants that still have a problem with that. I don't know if that is to your own detriment, in most case it is just the usual inferiority complex towards Jews, which basically forms the foundation of the phenomenon of antisemitism. But it certainly is to the detriment of Palestinians.
- defrost 1y ago
  Israel won the Battle of Beersheba in 1917? That's quite the alternative history, it took some real guts to charge cavalry four miles across open ground into machine gun nests. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Beersheba_(1917) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Beersheba_(1917)
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dlubarov 1y ago
> Modern Israel was created through the Balfour declaration. Not really, Israel was created 31 years after it. > ICC ICC charges do not include genocide; Khan sought an extermination charge which the pre-trial chamber rejected. > ICJ ICJ hasn't yet made any finding on the matter. > there is no Hamas in the west bank yet Yes there is, though they're not the de facto government there.
dragonwriter 1y ago
> recognized as genocide by Jewish scholars, ICC/ICJ. Neither the ICJ nor the ICC (not even the ICC prosecutor) has made any determination of genocide. The ICC prosecutor sought warrants on (and the ICC itself issued warrants on some and rejected other) various offenses that are typically means of genocide, but not on genocide itself, while the ICJ has allowed to a case to proceed charging genocide, but has made no determination that that took place. There are other international institutions which have determined that genocide is occurring, but the ICC and ICJ are not among them. That’s not to say that Israel isn’t committing genocide (it plainly is), but it doesn’t help to misrepresent where determinations about that have been made.

raxxorraxor 1y ago

> Modern Israel was created through the Balfour declaration. False. Israel was established on its own by winning its war for independence and you are part of the remnants that still have a problem with that. I don't know if that is to your own detriment, in most case it is just the usual inferiority complex towards Jews, which basically forms the foundation of the phenomenon of antisemitism. But it certainly is to the detriment of Palestinians.

defrost 1y ago
Israel won the Battle of Beersheba in 1917? That's quite the alternative history, it took some real guts to charge cavalry four miles across open ground into machine gun nests. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Beersheba_(1917) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Beersheba_(1917)
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dlubarov 1y ago

> Modern Israel was created through the Balfour declaration. Not really, Israel was created 31 years after it. > ICC ICC charges do not include genocide; Khan sought an extermination charge which the pre-trial chamber rejected. > ICJ ICJ hasn't yet made any finding on the matter. > there is no Hamas in the west bank yet Yes there is, though they're not the de facto government there.

dragonwriter 1y ago

> recognized as genocide by Jewish scholars, ICC/ICJ. Neither the ICJ nor the ICC (not even the ICC prosecutor) has made any determination of genocide. The ICC prosecutor sought warrants on (and the ICC itself issued warrants on some and rejected other) various offenses that are typically means of genocide, but not on genocide itself, while the ICJ has allowed to a case to proceed charging genocide, but has made no determination that that took place. There are other international institutions which have determined that genocide is occurring, but the ICC and ICJ are not among them. That’s not to say that Israel isn’t committing genocide (it plainly is), but it doesn’t help to misrepresent where determinations about that have been made.