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Arrest of illegal workers that is

by iddan 1y ago

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DaSHacka 1y ago
Strange, how they always seem to 'forget' that part
- Modified3019 1y ago
  What specific illegal activity was happening? Honest question, I’ve not seen any reference to such a thing before your and the other guy’s comment.
  - weberer 1y ago
    >The individuals arrested during the operation were found to be working illegally, in violation of the terms of their visas and/or statuses. People on short-term or recreational visas are not authorized to work in the U.S. https://www.ice.gov/news/releases/ice-leads-multi-agency-operation-targeting-illegal-employment-and-federal-crimes https://www.ice.gov/news/releases/ice-leads-multi-agency-ope...
    - nosianu 1y ago
      That is wrong. Summary: https://www.hooyou.com/b1-visa/b1-activities.html https://www.hooyou.com/b1-visa/b1-activities.html I myself once worked for a large German company at a large US software company, porting code to my company's platform. After a few flights back home to Germany and back immigration took me into the backroom, and I described in detail what I did. They stamped my passport and let me in for another 6 months of that work. I did that for a year before switching to another visa. It also worked out because I never even tried the slightest evasion and gave them everything I got, it's not like I cared, if I had been sent back, so what, I had no desire to immigrate. I'm sure under the exact same circumstances somebody giving them a worse impression of hiding something might not have been approved. But in any case, it's definitely legal, you CAN do some kinds of actual work on just a B1, even for an entire year. It was legal, because I still was 100% employed and paid in Germany, and the job could not be done otherwise, the US company would not send us their source code. Similarly, in the context of the Korean raid. One other important point you neglect is that from what I read the legality of the activities were never even questioned to begin with! They simply arrested everyone. They did not know what they wer4e doing, they just needed the arrest numbers because ICE is under pressure themselves. They did not even have any interpreters. That makes any argument about the legality useless, since it didn't even matter for the arrests.
      - weberer 1y ago
        The parent comment asked what the alleged illegal activity was, and I provided a primary source straight from ICE. I'm not interested in debating your anecdotal experience or speculation. Whether they're wrong is for the courts to decide. I'm sure we'll hear about it soon enough.
        nosianu 1y ago
        You are attempting to shift the goalpost after I countered your wrong assertion directly. You wrote a short and very specific post, it is still there. It does not matter that you quoted the ICE, not these days with all the lies, and since they never checked the people they arrested if they actually violated anything to begin with, that quote is useless. There is enough background information available about how that raid went off. They did not check before taking every single one of those people away. And > "People on short-term or recreational visas are not authorized to work in the U.S." is just plain wrong (for B1, but also ESTA -- https://www.nnuimmigration.com/esta-business/ https://www.nnuimmigration.com/esta-business/ "Incidental business activity"), no matter whom you quote! Your attempt to dismiss it based on me providing additional proof in form of an immigration-encounter directly countering your assertion is noted, but telling. In addition, it should never come to having to go to the courts in the first place!! Taking away likely lawfully acting people in handcuffs to a very uncomfortable stay in ICE custody already causes severe damage, no court can undo that! The only reason they can get away with it for the moment is because South Korea needs the military cooperation because of increasing threats at home. But these methods look more like those of the mafia than that of a civilized state. I'm saying that while not even minding one bit that/if the US now acts against illegal immigration, I never understood why they just let it happen for decades. I understand certain businesses did well with very low-cost labor that they could easily control and exploit due to the illegal status of the workers. The problem is that they now go far beyond that, because of the administrations desire for numbers and headlines, and pictures. And if you have to rely on getting your rights through the courts you already lost - the system is expensive, time-consuming, and slow. Getting exonerated later after you were dragged away and put into prison clothing does not undo the damage! Having to go to court is additional punishment for normal people.
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banku_brougham 1y ago
this comment is troubling, as I understand they all had visas to work temporarily in building the facility
WastedCucumber 1y ago
Do you have a source describing the "illegality"? This is genuine question - I have not found a source digging into the legal question. The best I could find was a suggestion that their visa waivers were in fact correct for the purpose, except for the fact that their companies were using visa waivers over and over again. Or maybe the workers were? I'm not sure.
- palmfacehn 1y ago
  You have posed a reasonable question with good intentions. A simple Google search reveals: >U.S. authorities said some of the detained Korean workers had illegally crossed the U.S. border, while others entered legally but had expired visas or entered on visa waivers that prohibited them from working. From PBS, a source with a well known editorial stance against the current administration. https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/south-korean-workers-return-home-after-days-in-detention-following-us-immigration-raid#:~:text=U.S.%20authorities%20said%20some%20of,that%20prohibited%20them%20from%20working. https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/south-korean-workers-retu... >Like many of the Koreans who were working there, advocates and lawyers representing the non-Korean workers caught up in the raid say that some who were detained had legal authorization to work in the United States. LA Times, similar https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2025-09-14/families-in-crisis-after-massive-immigration-raid-at-hyundai-plant-in-georgia https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2025-09-14/famili... With any of these contentious partisan issues it is important to be wary of cherry picking. Typically events are selectively reported to fit a given partisan agenda. It would be extreme to believe that entire groups are being arbitrarily detained and deported. Similarly, it isn't unreasonable to expect mistakes to be made. The reasonable thing to do with extreme claims such as the ones made in this thread is to do a simple Google search before engaging in partisan flames. It has become almost impossible to have a reasonable discussion here on any topic which may tangentially involve Trump.
  - ap99 1y ago
    It's almost impossible because one side goes into a tizzy when Trump's name is mentioned, then the other side or just people in the middle like you have to calmly layout their argument with evidence. There is one side that makes it impossible. Let's not confuse that.
antonvs 1y ago
If that’s true, shouldn’t the “illegal” label more correctly apply to the activity of the company knowingly employing them? What do you believe the workers did wrong?
- lmm 1y ago
  Visas are granted to individuals not companies. Working outside your visa status is illegal in most developed countries.
  - antonvs 1y ago
    The issue here was that subcontracting firms arranged to bring hundreds of people from South Korean. SK companies, including LG Energy Solution, reportedly advised workers and subcontracting firms to use the ESTA visa waiver, even after other visa applications had been repeatedly rejected. If that’s not illegal, perhaps the legal system needs revamping. And blaming the workers in a situation like that is immoral scapegoating, pure and simple. It’s very on-brand for the US conception of labor rights, though.
    - lmm 1y ago
      > If that’s not illegal, perhaps the legal system needs revamping. Advising people to commit visa fraud might well be illegal under US law, but given that it all happened in SK, would SK be interested in extraditing them? And would the US taxpayer support spending what that costs? Knowingly hiring visa fraudsters is probably illegal, but proving intent would be difficult. And if you lower the burden of proof too far then companies will find any excuse to not hire non-white people, which probably isn't what you want. The ESTA application emphasizes that it's personal and the conditions you have to comply with. I think that's well and good - if anything I think it would be better to scrap the H1-B system of tying people's work visas to specific jobs, that's a big part of what leads to immigration suppressing wages.
saubeidl 1y ago
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Arrest of illegal workers that is

by iddan 1y ago

Arrest of illegal workers that is

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DaSHacka 1y ago

Strange, how they always seem to 'forget' that part

Modified3019 1y ago
What specific illegal activity was happening? Honest question, I’ve not seen any reference to such a thing before your and the other guy’s comment.
- weberer 1y ago
  >The individuals arrested during the operation were found to be working illegally, in violation of the terms of their visas and/or statuses. People on short-term or recreational visas are not authorized to work in the U.S. https://www.ice.gov/news/releases/ice-leads-multi-agency-operation-targeting-illegal-employment-and-federal-crimes https://www.ice.gov/news/releases/ice-leads-multi-agency-ope...
  - nosianu 1y ago
    That is wrong. Summary: https://www.hooyou.com/b1-visa/b1-activities.html https://www.hooyou.com/b1-visa/b1-activities.html I myself once worked for a large German company at a large US software company, porting code to my company's platform. After a few flights back home to Germany and back immigration took me into the backroom, and I described in detail what I did. They stamped my passport and let me in for another 6 months of that work. I did that for a year before switching to another visa. It also worked out because I never even tried the slightest evasion and gave them everything I got, it's not like I cared, if I had been sent back, so what, I had no desire to immigrate. I'm sure under the exact same circumstances somebody giving them a worse impression of hiding something might not have been approved. But in any case, it's definitely legal, you CAN do some kinds of actual work on just a B1, even for an entire year. It was legal, because I still was 100% employed and paid in Germany, and the job could not be done otherwise, the US company would not send us their source code. Similarly, in the context of the Korean raid. One other important point you neglect is that from what I read the legality of the activities were never even questioned to begin with! They simply arrested everyone. They did not know what they wer4e doing, they just needed the arrest numbers because ICE is under pressure themselves. They did not even have any interpreters. That makes any argument about the legality useless, since it didn't even matter for the arrests.
    - weberer 1y ago
      The parent comment asked what the alleged illegal activity was, and I provided a primary source straight from ICE. I'm not interested in debating your anecdotal experience or speculation. Whether they're wrong is for the courts to decide. I'm sure we'll hear about it soon enough.
      - nosianu 1y ago
        You are attempting to shift the goalpost after I countered your wrong assertion directly. You wrote a short and very specific post, it is still there. It does not matter that you quoted the ICE, not these days with all the lies, and since they never checked the people they arrested if they actually violated anything to begin with, that quote is useless. There is enough background information available about how that raid went off. They did not check before taking every single one of those people away. And > "People on short-term or recreational visas are not authorized to work in the U.S." is just plain wrong (for B1, but also ESTA -- https://www.nnuimmigration.com/esta-business/ https://www.nnuimmigration.com/esta-business/ "Incidental business activity"), no matter whom you quote! Your attempt to dismiss it based on me providing additional proof in form of an immigration-encounter directly countering your assertion is noted, but telling. In addition, it should never come to having to go to the courts in the first place!! Taking away likely lawfully acting people in handcuffs to a very uncomfortable stay in ICE custody already causes severe damage, no court can undo that! The only reason they can get away with it for the moment is because South Korea needs the military cooperation because of increasing threats at home. But these methods look more like those of the mafia than that of a civilized state. I'm saying that while not even minding one bit that/if the US now acts against illegal immigration, I never understood why they just let it happen for decades. I understand certain businesses did well with very low-cost labor that they could easily control and exploit due to the illegal status of the workers. The problem is that they now go far beyond that, because of the administrations desire for numbers and headlines, and pictures. And if you have to rely on getting your rights through the courts you already lost - the system is expensive, time-consuming, and slow. Getting exonerated later after you were dragged away and put into prison clothing does not undo the damage! Having to go to court is additional punishment for normal people.
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banku_brougham 1y ago

this comment is troubling, as I understand they all had visas to work temporarily in building the facility

WastedCucumber 1y ago

Do you have a source describing the "illegality"? This is genuine question - I have not found a source digging into the legal question. The best I could find was a suggestion that their visa waivers were in fact correct for the purpose, except for the fact that their companies were using visa waivers over and over again. Or maybe the workers were? I'm not sure.

palmfacehn 1y ago
You have posed a reasonable question with good intentions. A simple Google search reveals: >U.S. authorities said some of the detained Korean workers had illegally crossed the U.S. border, while others entered legally but had expired visas or entered on visa waivers that prohibited them from working. From PBS, a source with a well known editorial stance against the current administration. https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/south-korean-workers-return-home-after-days-in-detention-following-us-immigration-raid#:~:text=U.S.%20authorities%20said%20some%20of,that%20prohibited%20them%20from%20working. https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/south-korean-workers-retu... >Like many of the Koreans who were working there, advocates and lawyers representing the non-Korean workers caught up in the raid say that some who were detained had legal authorization to work in the United States. LA Times, similar https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2025-09-14/families-in-crisis-after-massive-immigration-raid-at-hyundai-plant-in-georgia https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2025-09-14/famili... With any of these contentious partisan issues it is important to be wary of cherry picking. Typically events are selectively reported to fit a given partisan agenda. It would be extreme to believe that entire groups are being arbitrarily detained and deported. Similarly, it isn't unreasonable to expect mistakes to be made. The reasonable thing to do with extreme claims such as the ones made in this thread is to do a simple Google search before engaging in partisan flames. It has become almost impossible to have a reasonable discussion here on any topic which may tangentially involve Trump.
- ap99 1y ago
  It's almost impossible because one side goes into a tizzy when Trump's name is mentioned, then the other side or just people in the middle like you have to calmly layout their argument with evidence. There is one side that makes it impossible. Let's not confuse that.

antonvs 1y ago

If that’s true, shouldn’t the “illegal” label more correctly apply to the activity of the company knowingly employing them? What do you believe the workers did wrong?

lmm 1y ago
Visas are granted to individuals not companies. Working outside your visa status is illegal in most developed countries.
- antonvs 1y ago
  The issue here was that subcontracting firms arranged to bring hundreds of people from South Korean. SK companies, including LG Energy Solution, reportedly advised workers and subcontracting firms to use the ESTA visa waiver, even after other visa applications had been repeatedly rejected. If that’s not illegal, perhaps the legal system needs revamping. And blaming the workers in a situation like that is immoral scapegoating, pure and simple. It’s very on-brand for the US conception of labor rights, though.
  - lmm 1y ago
    > If that’s not illegal, perhaps the legal system needs revamping. Advising people to commit visa fraud might well be illegal under US law, but given that it all happened in SK, would SK be interested in extraditing them? And would the US taxpayer support spending what that costs? Knowingly hiring visa fraudsters is probably illegal, but proving intent would be difficult. And if you lower the burden of proof too far then companies will find any excuse to not hire non-white people, which probably isn't what you want. The ESTA application emphasizes that it's personal and the conditions you have to comply with. I think that's well and good - if anything I think it would be better to scrap the H1-B system of tying people's work visas to specific jobs, that's a big part of what leads to immigration suppressing wages.

saubeidl 1y ago

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