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I don't know that you can describe northern island as being a happy success story. The most you can say is it's stable which is a success in its own right. You

I don't know that you can describe northern island as being a happy success story. The most you can say is it's stable which is a success in its own right. You're right in drawing parallels between the two. But the ira seem to be far more pragmatic then the palestinians and for all their sins they never deliberately targeted women and children in the way organised palestinian terror does.

ablation 1y ago
> But the ira seem to be far more pragmatic then the palestinians and for all their sins they never deliberately targeted women https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Jean_McConville https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Jean_McConville
- OkayPhysicist 1y ago
  The parent was alluding to civilians, not spies.
hn_throw2025 1y ago
The IRA never expected women and children to be near shopping centres? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1992_Manchester_bombing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1992_Manchester_bombing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warrington_bombings https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warrington_bombings https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1996_Manchester_bombing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1996_Manchester_bombing
- oliwarner 1y ago
  No because the IRA generally called in warnings. In both the 90s Manchester bombings there, people had 75-90 minutes to evacuate, they moved ~80,000 people each time and saw no fatalities. The warning for Warrington wasn't as effective. Terror was the aim, not death.
NomDePlum 1y ago
Northern Ireland is absolutely a success. Having family that are from there it's utterly unrecognisable to what existed in the 70s and 80s. It's far from perfect but the difference to those on both sides who live there is vast. Paramilitaries on both sides carried out many actions that killed women and children. Nowhere near the scale of Hamas, and certainly nothing close to the magnitude of the IDF.

ablation 1y ago

> But the ira seem to be far more pragmatic then the palestinians and for all their sins they never deliberately targeted women https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Jean_McConville https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Jean_McConville

OkayPhysicist 1y ago
The parent was alluding to civilians, not spies.

hn_throw2025 1y ago

The IRA never expected women and children to be near shopping centres? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1992_Manchester_bombing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1992_Manchester_bombing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warrington_bombings https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warrington_bombings https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1996_Manchester_bombing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1996_Manchester_bombing

oliwarner 1y ago
No because the IRA generally called in warnings. In both the 90s Manchester bombings there, people had 75-90 minutes to evacuate, they moved ~80,000 people each time and saw no fatalities. The warning for Warrington wasn't as effective. Terror was the aim, not death.

NomDePlum 1y ago

Northern Ireland is absolutely a success. Having family that are from there it's utterly unrecognisable to what existed in the 70s and 80s. It's far from perfect but the difference to those on both sides who live there is vast. Paramilitaries on both sides carried out many actions that killed women and children. Nowhere near the scale of Hamas, and certainly nothing close to the magnitude of the IDF.