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On one hand EU does things like this^ to protect their people (like right-to-repair stuff, also made apple use USB-C instead of lightning and whatnot) but then

On one hand EU does things like this^ to protect their people (like right-to-repair stuff, also made apple use USB-C instead of lightning and whatnot) but then they try to implement severe privacy-invading shit like chat-control, what's happening?

wojciii 1y ago
Like all bureaucracies .. the left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing. Also our government (I'm a citizen in the kingdom of Denmark) doesn't listen to experts when it comes to IT/security/encryption and is making a fool of itself.. It will pass.
izacus 1y ago
Because the world view of people leading EU isn't the same as American "corporations and the state are the same thing'. Once you get that, a lot of thing start to make sense.
rsynnott 1y ago
The EU isn't one single decision-maker. There was a brief period where the EU had both the GDPR and the Data Retention Directive, which were practically contradictory (the courts nuked the Data Retention Directive).
ranguna 1y ago
The EU is not one voice. It's comprised of multiple member states, each one with their own views and opinions. One member state proposed privacy friendly laws and it passes, another proposed privacy invasive laws and it doesn't pass. It's a distributed democracy.
- hulitu 1y ago
  > The EU is ... It's a distributed democracy. Maybe only distributed. /s
  - ranguna 1y ago
    Hah indeed maybe, hopefully the French will pull out the guillotines once more before that happens.
ioteg 1y ago
First paragraph is about regulating US companies. It doesn’t affect the interests of the EU oligarchs.
- lyu07282 1y ago
  It's also not necessarily against their interests either. For example Article 15 made any European google alternative much harder, that's good for Google. Google can afford to comply with any regulation, smaller EU google wannabes can not as easily. Then regulation like unified digital id is big business, the EU is a neoliberal institution, most of everything their member states governments do is through public-private partnerships, there is profit to be made. So investments in things like age verification are funneled to lobby for them. The EU in general is almost as big in lobby spending as the US. The other thing is the US intel easily gets a full plaintext feed from things like whatsapp, but the EU needs chat control/etc. to get the same access.
concinds 1y ago
Chat Control isn't really "the EU". It's the national governments. USB-C was the bureaucrats/technocrats ("the EU"), Chat Control is government ministers from each country (the "Council")
thomassmith65 1y ago
The official name is not "Chat Control" but rather "The Regulation to Prevent and Combat Child Sexual Abuse". Of course, people are free to claim that it won't work, or that it's heavy handed, or that it's secretly nefarious, but there is a plausible answer to "why?" in the title itself.
- Nasrudith 1y ago
  Plausible? Think of the children is a stock lie that is never used in good faith. The children do not in fact thrive in a repressive dystopia.
  - thomassmith65 1y ago
    That's certainly an interesting take.

wojciii 1y ago

Like all bureaucracies .. the left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing. Also our government (I'm a citizen in the kingdom of Denmark) doesn't listen to experts when it comes to IT/security/encryption and is making a fool of itself.. It will pass.

izacus 1y ago

Because the world view of people leading EU isn't the same as American "corporations and the state are the same thing'. Once you get that, a lot of thing start to make sense.

rsynnott 1y ago

The EU isn't one single decision-maker. There was a brief period where the EU had both the GDPR and the Data Retention Directive, which were practically contradictory (the courts nuked the Data Retention Directive).

ranguna 1y ago

The EU is not one voice. It's comprised of multiple member states, each one with their own views and opinions. One member state proposed privacy friendly laws and it passes, another proposed privacy invasive laws and it doesn't pass. It's a distributed democracy.

hulitu 1y ago
> The EU is ... It's a distributed democracy. Maybe only distributed. /s
- ranguna 1y ago
  Hah indeed maybe, hopefully the French will pull out the guillotines once more before that happens.

ioteg 1y ago

First paragraph is about regulating US companies. It doesn’t affect the interests of the EU oligarchs.

lyu07282 1y ago
It's also not necessarily against their interests either. For example Article 15 made any European google alternative much harder, that's good for Google. Google can afford to comply with any regulation, smaller EU google wannabes can not as easily. Then regulation like unified digital id is big business, the EU is a neoliberal institution, most of everything their member states governments do is through public-private partnerships, there is profit to be made. So investments in things like age verification are funneled to lobby for them. The EU in general is almost as big in lobby spending as the US. The other thing is the US intel easily gets a full plaintext feed from things like whatsapp, but the EU needs chat control/etc. to get the same access.

concinds 1y ago

Chat Control isn't really "the EU". It's the national governments. USB-C was the bureaucrats/technocrats ("the EU"), Chat Control is government ministers from each country (the "Council")

thomassmith65 1y ago

The official name is not "Chat Control" but rather "The Regulation to Prevent and Combat Child Sexual Abuse". Of course, people are free to claim that it won't work, or that it's heavy handed, or that it's secretly nefarious, but there is a plausible answer to "why?" in the title itself.

Nasrudith 1y ago
Plausible? Think of the children is a stock lie that is never used in good faith. The children do not in fact thrive in a repressive dystopia.
- thomassmith65 1y ago
  That's certainly an interesting take.