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> - USA trained Fatah to coup against legitimate Palestinian government > > - Coup succeeded in west bank and failed in gaza in 2007 Adding more context here:

> - USA trained Fatah to coup against legitimate Palestinian government > > - Coup succeeded in west bank and failed in gaza in 2007 Adding more context here: - The training was also provided by Egypt, and Israel Now, let's go back a few years and tackle what happened before all that. Hamas did not recognize Israel under the Oslo accords, effectively saying if they were in power, the work done towards the accords would be in vain. What was the accord about? - "The internationally drafted road map calls for an end to Israeli-Palestinian violence, a freeze in Israeli settlement activity, and the creation of a Palestinian state."

tguvot 1y ago
israel allowed training. israel didn't train presidential guard. it would have been major scandal in Israel if something like this happened. quoting wiki . At that point, the U.S. began to provide training in urban anti-terrorist techniques to members of the Presidential Guard, with the goal of strengthening Abbas's security forces. Egypt, Jordan, and Turkey also began to provide similar training for the Fatah forces, and Britain, Spain, and the European Union began to provide communications equipment, vehicles, and logistical support. i am not even sure what exactly your second part of message meaning. unlike what OP said netanyahu wasn't PM at this timeframe. Ehud Olmert was, and he engaged in negotiations through his term till he resigned in 2008
- spookie 1y ago
  The second part highlights the fear around Hamas winning the election. Having done so, the success of the accord was no longer in the hands of both Palestine and Israel. The accord would fail, given Hamas would be in power and showed no interest in following it and violence would prevail. Apologies for being unclear in the first part, not the intention. Just wanted to point out Egypt was also involved, not just the US. The addition of Israel was for what you said, and there to try and be as neutral as possible (albeit I should have chosen my language better).
  - tguvot 1y ago
    (as somebody who actually lived in Israel during that timeframe) - PA/PLO didn't want hamas to win elections because they didn't want to loose power and money. It extremely corrupt and hamas victory was partly predicated on this - Israel didn't want hamas to win elections because it didn't want terrorist organization running state. When hamas did win, negotiations still continued up till the moment that Obama got elected and killed them [0]. When Ismail Haniye got nominated and voted in as PM there was long discussion in Israel that maybe from position of the power hamas will feel responsibility and will became more political and moderate. I remember countless discussions on tv how moderate Haniye is and if he will embrace oslo accords, recognize Israel, etc. and if we are talking about oslo accords, there were badly wounded [1] by palestinian side by that time (think also second intifada) and everybody just wanted to get to finish line [0] https://www.meforum.org/israeli-settlements-american-pressure https://www.meforum.org/israeli-settlements-american-pressur... [1] http://israelvisit.co.il/BehindTheNews/WhitePaper.htm http://israelvisit.co.il/BehindTheNews/WhitePaper.htm

tguvot 1y ago

israel allowed training. israel didn't train presidential guard. it would have been major scandal in Israel if something like this happened. quoting wiki . At that point, the U.S. began to provide training in urban anti-terrorist techniques to members of the Presidential Guard, with the goal of strengthening Abbas's security forces. Egypt, Jordan, and Turkey also began to provide similar training for the Fatah forces, and Britain, Spain, and the European Union began to provide communications equipment, vehicles, and logistical support. i am not even sure what exactly your second part of message meaning. unlike what OP said netanyahu wasn't PM at this timeframe. Ehud Olmert was, and he engaged in negotiations through his term till he resigned in 2008

spookie 1y ago
The second part highlights the fear around Hamas winning the election. Having done so, the success of the accord was no longer in the hands of both Palestine and Israel. The accord would fail, given Hamas would be in power and showed no interest in following it and violence would prevail. Apologies for being unclear in the first part, not the intention. Just wanted to point out Egypt was also involved, not just the US. The addition of Israel was for what you said, and there to try and be as neutral as possible (albeit I should have chosen my language better).
- tguvot 1y ago
  (as somebody who actually lived in Israel during that timeframe) - PA/PLO didn't want hamas to win elections because they didn't want to loose power and money. It extremely corrupt and hamas victory was partly predicated on this - Israel didn't want hamas to win elections because it didn't want terrorist organization running state. When hamas did win, negotiations still continued up till the moment that Obama got elected and killed them [0]. When Ismail Haniye got nominated and voted in as PM there was long discussion in Israel that maybe from position of the power hamas will feel responsibility and will became more political and moderate. I remember countless discussions on tv how moderate Haniye is and if he will embrace oslo accords, recognize Israel, etc. and if we are talking about oslo accords, there were badly wounded [1] by palestinian side by that time (think also second intifada) and everybody just wanted to get to finish line [0] https://www.meforum.org/israeli-settlements-american-pressure https://www.meforum.org/israeli-settlements-american-pressur... [1] http://israelvisit.co.il/BehindTheNews/WhitePaper.htm http://israelvisit.co.il/BehindTheNews/WhitePaper.htm