3 ms·

Some people are older and have old injuries, standing in one place is agonizing. Some are in wheel chairs. Standing is an anti-pattern to the mostly shy, quiet

by jebblue 14y ago

Some people are older and have old injuries, standing in one place is agonizing. Some are in wheel chairs. Standing is an anti-pattern to the mostly shy, quiet nature of techies in the first place. Standing for a meeting sounds like something thought up by someone in perfect health and probably an extrovert, marketer who thought he/she was a coder. Moving on with the analysis, Agile with an uppercase A is an anti-pattern to how humans live and work in the first place. The idea of sprinting makes sense when you're within reach of the goal; not for the entire cycle of development unless what is being developed only takes 3 weeks from the start to the finish. We need common sense back in the software world.

cstejerean 14y ago
People who have injuries or are otherwise unable to stand can certainly sit. The point of standing however is specifically because it gets uncomfortable when you do it for too long. This prevent standups from turning into 30 minute or longer meetings.
- jebblue 14y ago
  >> People who have injuries or are otherwise unable to stand can certainly sit. How do you think that makes us feel?
  - tcharron 14y ago
    That would certainly be something to bring up with your team if you do regular retrospectives. The purpose of standing is to keep the meeting short and focused. Can you think of alternative ways that your team can ensure that the meeting is short and focused that doesn't require standing? If so, suggest them (or see what your team members suggest) and try them out!
    - jebblue 14y ago
      I think you are missing the point that I'm making which is quite simple. Requiring people to stand up is a discriminatory practice and that puts companies at significant legal risk. Recommendation? We sit and the meetings are short or long or don't happen at all on an as needed basis. Don't force your cure on those of us who do not have your ill.
adrianhoward 14y ago
Moving on with the analysis, Agile with an uppercase A is an anti-pattern to how humans live and work in the first place. The idea of sprinting makes sense when you're within reach of the goal 1) Agile != Scrum. Sprints are just a Scrum term not a general term in the agile community. 2) Many Scrum folk I talk to think sprint was a poor word choice (it wasn't intended to be taken as "as fast as possible" but "something with a defined end" - many short sprints rather than one long marathon). Many use the more neutral "iteration". 3) Not going as fast as possible and having a long term sustainable pace is what agile projects are all about. That's why you saw practices like "Sustainable Pace" in XP http://www.extremeprogramming.org/rules/overtime.html http://www.extremeprogramming.org/rules/overtime.html

by jebblue 14y ago

cstejerean 14y ago

People who have injuries or are otherwise unable to stand can certainly sit. The point of standing however is specifically because it gets uncomfortable when you do it for too long. This prevent standups from turning into 30 minute or longer meetings.

jebblue 14y ago
>> People who have injuries or are otherwise unable to stand can certainly sit. How do you think that makes us feel?
- tcharron 14y ago
  That would certainly be something to bring up with your team if you do regular retrospectives. The purpose of standing is to keep the meeting short and focused. Can you think of alternative ways that your team can ensure that the meeting is short and focused that doesn't require standing? If so, suggest them (or see what your team members suggest) and try them out!
  - jebblue 14y ago
    I think you are missing the point that I'm making which is quite simple. Requiring people to stand up is a discriminatory practice and that puts companies at significant legal risk. Recommendation? We sit and the meetings are short or long or don't happen at all on an as needed basis. Don't force your cure on those of us who do not have your ill.

adrianhoward 14y ago

Moving on with the analysis, Agile with an uppercase A is an anti-pattern to how humans live and work in the first place. The idea of sprinting makes sense when you're within reach of the goal 1) Agile != Scrum. Sprints are just a Scrum term not a general term in the agile community. 2) Many Scrum folk I talk to think sprint was a poor word choice (it wasn't intended to be taken as "as fast as possible" but "something with a defined end" - many short sprints rather than one long marathon). Many use the more neutral "iteration". 3) Not going as fast as possible and having a long term sustainable pace is what agile projects are all about. That's why you saw practices like "Sustainable Pace" in XP http://www.extremeprogramming.org/rules/overtime.html http://www.extremeprogramming.org/rules/overtime.html