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Good. The West would likely benefit from strong international partnerships for advancing AI, nuclear, and quantum tech. Especially the part about helping the U

Good. The West would likely benefit from strong international partnerships for advancing AI, nuclear, and quantum tech. Especially the part about helping the UK become Russia-independent for energy.

lazyeye 1y ago
Agreed. Its a great first step with hopefully more to come.
croes 1y ago
Trump killed that strong partnership, this is just a deal with an unreliable partner you don’t want to be dependent on. He will exploit as soon it fits his need. Somehow worse than Russia
tialaramex 1y ago
> Russia-independent for energy It's specifically about nuclear fuel. The UK doesn't mine Uranium, but it does do fuel manufacture & imports from several countries. I wasn't able to find what, if any, "Russian" influence there is. Maybe the CEO at the fuel plant likes Russian vodka and now he'll be told to buy Polish instead ?
- nine_k 1y ago
  «The UK does not directly import Russian crude oil, refined products, or gas, having imposed a ban in late 2022 and early 2023 to counter the war in Ukraine. However, fuel derived from Russian oil is still indirectly imported into the UK through a loophole that allows Russian crude to be refined in other countries, like India and Turkey, and then sold to the UK.» (Gemini, but I'd have written the same.)
  - tialaramex 1y ago
    Gemini thinks our nuclear power plants use "fuel derived from Russian oil" ? The text is about Nuclear fuel > The TPD also commits the UK to achieve full independence from Russian nuclear fuel by the end of 2028 This whole "deal" is largely waffle and nonsense, the two countries are going to somehow work together to achieve nuclear fusion with AI, and they're going to create a quantum supply chain, and this is going to unlock breakthroughs in health care... Stop trying to figure out what would make sense. Donald Trump has no idea what sense would be and Starmer is mostly just glad to avoid Donald deciding Farage should be Prime Minister now or whatever other nonsense he might decide on a whim.
    - nine_k 1y ago
      No, UK power stations, trucks, and cars use fuel derived, at least partly, from oil pumped in Russia.
      - stuaxo 1y ago
        UK power stations? The fossil fuel ones mostly use natural gas, I dont know why they wouldn't be from north sea oil fields ?
        tialaramex 1y ago
        While the North Sea continues to produce a relatively large amount of the world's fossil fuels because most countries produce none or hardly any, in terms of the UK it's not enough. Even if this wasn't a capitalist country where a million pensioners dying in unheated homes so that one billionaire can charge 10% more to sell their fuel abroad might be justified as "market forces" there simply isn't enough to heat homes and make electricity. Twenty years ago, if we had the relatively modest need we do today, it would work because the gas production was much greater than today. But actually twenty years ago we were still burning a lot of coal. We'd stopped burning it in the middle of our biggest cities by then, but a huge percentage of UK electricity was coal fired. Makes CCGT look fucking instant in terms of responsiveness does coal, but that's what we did, very little renewable back then. If we could magically extract gas only for our own use, and as needed rather than with limited scale, we'd run dry before 2029. We'd get this Xmas, and the next, the one after would be scary as headlines about imminent loss of heat would be on every paper and then it'd be gone by spring and we're screwed. In reality, we're extracting much more slowly and apparently we're (well, huge foreign companies who pay scarcely any tax) are happy to keep doing that for years.
analognoise 1y ago
Is America under Trump/MAGA is really “the West”. If we’re using the federal government to shut down comedians, I think we have more in common with China/Russia/N. Korea? Especially when you consider illegally using the military to murder boats full of civilians, and banishment (not deportation) to random places.
- hereme888 1y ago
  Since the left has moved so far left, and Trump is closer to historical center, I believe the West is now closer to what it's been from a historical perspective. I'd agree that the FCC's threat exceeded their authority. But between Kimmel's factually-stated (and sick) assertion, which opens ABC/Disney to defamation claims, and massive public and affiliate backlash, ABC faced concrete distribution risk, hence placing him on indefinite leave (not fired).

Good. The West would likely benefit from strong international partnerships for advancing AI, nuclear, and quantum tech. Especially the part about helping the UK become Russia-independent for energy.

lazyeye 1y ago

Agreed. Its a great first step with hopefully more to come.

croes 1y ago

Trump killed that strong partnership, this is just a deal with an unreliable partner you don’t want to be dependent on. He will exploit as soon it fits his need. Somehow worse than Russia

tialaramex 1y ago

> Russia-independent for energy It's specifically about nuclear fuel. The UK doesn't mine Uranium, but it does do fuel manufacture & imports from several countries. I wasn't able to find what, if any, "Russian" influence there is. Maybe the CEO at the fuel plant likes Russian vodka and now he'll be told to buy Polish instead ?

nine_k 1y ago
«The UK does not directly import Russian crude oil, refined products, or gas, having imposed a ban in late 2022 and early 2023 to counter the war in Ukraine. However, fuel derived from Russian oil is still indirectly imported into the UK through a loophole that allows Russian crude to be refined in other countries, like India and Turkey, and then sold to the UK.» (Gemini, but I'd have written the same.)
- tialaramex 1y ago
  Gemini thinks our nuclear power plants use "fuel derived from Russian oil" ? The text is about Nuclear fuel > The TPD also commits the UK to achieve full independence from Russian nuclear fuel by the end of 2028 This whole "deal" is largely waffle and nonsense, the two countries are going to somehow work together to achieve nuclear fusion with AI, and they're going to create a quantum supply chain, and this is going to unlock breakthroughs in health care... Stop trying to figure out what would make sense. Donald Trump has no idea what sense would be and Starmer is mostly just glad to avoid Donald deciding Farage should be Prime Minister now or whatever other nonsense he might decide on a whim.
  - nine_k 1y ago
    No, UK power stations, trucks, and cars use fuel derived, at least partly, from oil pumped in Russia.
    - stuaxo 1y ago
      UK power stations? The fossil fuel ones mostly use natural gas, I dont know why they wouldn't be from north sea oil fields ?
      - tialaramex 1y ago
        While the North Sea continues to produce a relatively large amount of the world's fossil fuels because most countries produce none or hardly any, in terms of the UK it's not enough. Even if this wasn't a capitalist country where a million pensioners dying in unheated homes so that one billionaire can charge 10% more to sell their fuel abroad might be justified as "market forces" there simply isn't enough to heat homes and make electricity. Twenty years ago, if we had the relatively modest need we do today, it would work because the gas production was much greater than today. But actually twenty years ago we were still burning a lot of coal. We'd stopped burning it in the middle of our biggest cities by then, but a huge percentage of UK electricity was coal fired. Makes CCGT look fucking instant in terms of responsiveness does coal, but that's what we did, very little renewable back then. If we could magically extract gas only for our own use, and as needed rather than with limited scale, we'd run dry before 2029. We'd get this Xmas, and the next, the one after would be scary as headlines about imminent loss of heat would be on every paper and then it'd be gone by spring and we're screwed. In reality, we're extracting much more slowly and apparently we're (well, huge foreign companies who pay scarcely any tax) are happy to keep doing that for years.

analognoise 1y ago

Is America under Trump/MAGA is really “the West”. If we’re using the federal government to shut down comedians, I think we have more in common with China/Russia/N. Korea? Especially when you consider illegally using the military to murder boats full of civilians, and banishment (not deportation) to random places.

hereme888 1y ago
Since the left has moved so far left, and Trump is closer to historical center, I believe the West is now closer to what it's been from a historical perspective. I'd agree that the FCC's threat exceeded their authority. But between Kimmel's factually-stated (and sick) assertion, which opens ABC/Disney to defamation claims, and massive public and affiliate backlash, ABC faced concrete distribution risk, hence placing him on indefinite leave (not fired).