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prasadjoglekar 1y ago
I live in the suburbs of NYC. All of NYC's drinking water is stored in our backyards. So much so that the NYPD patrols this area, 90 miles outside their geography. The math has certainly not been done. There are no cities without suburbs. For food and water.
lupusreal 1y ago
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- rglullis 1y ago
  > because of style of community they want to own their home in? No, I do not care about their choices, provided they are willing to bear all costs from it. The problem is not living in the suburbs. The problem is affluent people that have their lifestyle subsidized by poorer people living close to the city center. Also, it's virtually impossible to claim that people want to live like that in the US, because most places have zoning laws that simply forbid the emergence of any other alternative. Suburbs in Germany are smaller, less dense versions of the urban center, but they are not devoid of life. They are still walkable, they still have local shops, they do not make cars a requirement for everyone, kids do not need to be driven around anywhere, etc. You can bet that if more people in the US could come to visit they would rather live like that than in the traditional cul-de-sacs/picketed fence developments from American Suburbia.
  - ciupicri 1y ago
    Aren't those zoning laws created by people elected by the residents?
    - rglullis 1y ago
      "Aren't those laws being lobbied by corporations who only fund the politicians that promise to keep things in their favor?" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOttvpjJvAo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOttvpjJvAo
      - lupusreal 1y ago
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        Qwertious 1y ago
        The term "jaywalking" was invented by car companies in a political campaign to reframe the car deaths problem as the fault of pedestrians. You're conflating "the cause is unpopular" with "the cause organically became unpopular".
      - ciupicri 1y ago
        What's stopping people from voting for "cyclist Joe" who promises to transform the city into new Amsterdam (no, not NYC :-) or new Berlin?
        rglullis 1y ago
        > What's stopping people from voting for "cyclist Joe" The corporations who are lobbying and funding the campaign of "Trucker Bob" and "Soccer Mom Susan".
        ciupicri 1y ago
        Nevertheless I thought that elections were free.
- dang 1y ago
  > Your rhetoric sounds fascist. Please don't take HN threads into flamewar hell like this. It's not what this site is for, and destroys what it is for. Your comment would be (mostly) fine without that bit. If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful. Edit: we've had to ask you this several times already: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44403432 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44403432 (June 2025) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41830571 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41830571 (Oct 2024) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41710557 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41710557 (Oct 2024) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40852424 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40852424 (July 2024)

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I live in the suburbs of NYC. All of NYC's drinking water is stored in our backyards. So much so that the NYPD patrols this area, 90 miles outside their geography. The math has certainly not been done. There are no cities without suburbs. For food and water.

lupusreal 1y ago

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rglullis 1y ago
> because of style of community they want to own their home in? No, I do not care about their choices, provided they are willing to bear all costs from it. The problem is not living in the suburbs. The problem is affluent people that have their lifestyle subsidized by poorer people living close to the city center. Also, it's virtually impossible to claim that people want to live like that in the US, because most places have zoning laws that simply forbid the emergence of any other alternative. Suburbs in Germany are smaller, less dense versions of the urban center, but they are not devoid of life. They are still walkable, they still have local shops, they do not make cars a requirement for everyone, kids do not need to be driven around anywhere, etc. You can bet that if more people in the US could come to visit they would rather live like that than in the traditional cul-de-sacs/picketed fence developments from American Suburbia.
- ciupicri 1y ago
  Aren't those zoning laws created by people elected by the residents?
  - rglullis 1y ago
    "Aren't those laws being lobbied by corporations who only fund the politicians that promise to keep things in their favor?" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOttvpjJvAo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOttvpjJvAo
    - lupusreal 1y ago
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      - Qwertious 1y ago
        The term "jaywalking" was invented by car companies in a political campaign to reframe the car deaths problem as the fault of pedestrians. You're conflating "the cause is unpopular" with "the cause organically became unpopular".
    - ciupicri 1y ago
      What's stopping people from voting for "cyclist Joe" who promises to transform the city into new Amsterdam (no, not NYC :-) or new Berlin?
      - rglullis 1y ago
        > What's stopping people from voting for "cyclist Joe" The corporations who are lobbying and funding the campaign of "Trucker Bob" and "Soccer Mom Susan".
        ciupicri 1y ago
        Nevertheless I thought that elections were free.
dang 1y ago
> Your rhetoric sounds fascist. Please don't take HN threads into flamewar hell like this. It's not what this site is for, and destroys what it is for. Your comment would be (mostly) fine without that bit. If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful. Edit: we've had to ask you this several times already: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44403432 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44403432 (June 2025) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41830571 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41830571 (Oct 2024) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41710557 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41710557 (Oct 2024) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40852424 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40852424 (July 2024)