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If something's garbage you can just call it garbage, no need to wrap it up in virtue signaling and culture wars. But please do tell us why it's garbage

egorfine 1y ago
It is as costly to call systemd-* garbage on HN as it is to eliminate systemd-* projects from major distros.
- koverstreet 1y ago
  Well, if you don't include the "why", to you aren't saying anything everyone hasn't heard a thousand times before. The "why" is important.
  - egorfine 1y ago
    That is true. I have no new arguments. Today I have learned about PrivateTmp and added that thing to the evergrowing list of things to get rid of on fresh Debian instances. Yes, I did think for ten seconds and I am pretty sure I don't want that at all at any of the servers I am managing. As for systemd-resolved, it was broken beyond repairability many years ago right at the start. At first I have tried to read manuals and play along with it. All I needed was OS using my resolvers only. Simple as "nameserver 1.1.1.1" in resolv.conf. Unfortunately, no matter how much I read the documentation, I couldn't make it do that one simple job. Oh, and manually editing resolve.conf was not an option as well because it randomly overwrote it. On a server with a static ip, mind you, no dhcp. Maybe my memory is serving me wrong but I think systemd-resolved was so bad that even +x on /etc/resolv.conf did not work, it would still overwrite it. Incredible piece of shit, just incredible. I am now removing it from all instances by default for years and I refuse to learn whether they made good or not. Clearly systemd-resolved provides negative value to the world.
    - yepguy 1y ago
      Would you mind sharing the list of tweaks you make to systemd machines? I can't really avoid systemd altogether, and I like parts of it. But I also dislike that it does so much, and wish I could find a list of all its non-essential components and a guide for slimming it down and disabling any surprising or bad behavior (like its default name servers, for example).
      - egorfine 1y ago
        Here it is: https://github.com/egorFiNE/desystemd https://github.com/egorFiNE/desystemd
        yepguy 1y ago
        Much appreciated!

egorfine 1y ago

It is as costly to call systemd-* garbage on HN as it is to eliminate systemd-* projects from major distros.

koverstreet 1y ago
Well, if you don't include the "why", to you aren't saying anything everyone hasn't heard a thousand times before. The "why" is important.
- egorfine 1y ago
  That is true. I have no new arguments. Today I have learned about PrivateTmp and added that thing to the evergrowing list of things to get rid of on fresh Debian instances. Yes, I did think for ten seconds and I am pretty sure I don't want that at all at any of the servers I am managing. As for systemd-resolved, it was broken beyond repairability many years ago right at the start. At first I have tried to read manuals and play along with it. All I needed was OS using my resolvers only. Simple as "nameserver 1.1.1.1" in resolv.conf. Unfortunately, no matter how much I read the documentation, I couldn't make it do that one simple job. Oh, and manually editing resolve.conf was not an option as well because it randomly overwrote it. On a server with a static ip, mind you, no dhcp. Maybe my memory is serving me wrong but I think systemd-resolved was so bad that even +x on /etc/resolv.conf did not work, it would still overwrite it. Incredible piece of shit, just incredible. I am now removing it from all instances by default for years and I refuse to learn whether they made good or not. Clearly systemd-resolved provides negative value to the world.
  - yepguy 1y ago
    Would you mind sharing the list of tweaks you make to systemd machines? I can't really avoid systemd altogether, and I like parts of it. But I also dislike that it does so much, and wish I could find a list of all its non-essential components and a guide for slimming it down and disabling any surprising or bad behavior (like its default name servers, for example).
    - egorfine 1y ago
      Here it is: https://github.com/egorFiNE/desystemd https://github.com/egorFiNE/desystemd
      - yepguy 1y ago
        Much appreciated!