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But, key difference, the people pushing green sky or flat earth narrative don't get deplatformed, fired, yelled at or called Nazis. I still haven't seen anyone

by roenxi 1y ago

But, key difference, the people pushing green sky or flat earth narrative don't get deplatformed, fired, yelled at or called Nazis. I still haven't seen anyone attempt to do a cost-benefit on whether the COVID lockdowns were a net good. I do note we had a big social and economic disjunction and since then it has been pretty much nothing but war and trouble. The part where they were shutting up people with PhDs on YouTube through COVID was definitely a net loss though; the censors weren't anywhere near as qualified to decide what to talk about as the censored were in my experience.

shakna 1y ago
> But, key difference, the people pushing green sky or flat earth narrative don't get deplatformed, fired, yelled at or called Nazis. ... You know that people show insane behaviour regularly get shadow-banned, right? And don't get called on by every piece of media for their position? That people wearing tinfoil have been regularly shouted at and harassed since it became a thing? If you really want to not be called a Nazi... Don't make friends with people who call themselves that, don't attend the same parties as them, and don't make the same false claims as them.
thrance 1y ago
The president and the secretary of health both believe vaccines give autism and covid was nothing but a big fever. You act like "covid skepticism" isn't mainstream in the highest spheres of power.
UncleMeat 1y ago
Professors have been publishing papers advocating for legal bans of gender affirming care for ages. They've been publishing papers on gender dysphoria and the medical impact of transition for ages. Heck, there are law professors on topics like "against civil rights." For covid, there are not only oodles of papers on the topic you describe here, but entire books written by academics on the topic. These people remain employed at premier institutions. The question of the cost benefit analysis of remote schooling (costs to education outcomes and costs to parents having less available childcare against costs to public health) has been a particular vigorous topic of discussion.
- analog8374 1y ago
  Entire books you say.
  - UncleMeat 1y ago
    Yes, even ones that are expressly critical of the policies. In Covid's Wake is a rather famous recent example. The authors are both professors at a prestigious university. They were interviewed by all sorts of outlets, including left leaning outlets. The idea that doing a cost-benefit analysis of various covid policies would get academics expelled from the academy is just not based in fact.
    - analog8374 1y ago
      My first criticism is the unity of popular opinion. (Ironic, yes). I see this majority, holding the exact same opinion, offering the exact same arguments in support of that opinion, implementing that opinion in exactly the same way. In lockstep. There's a definite lack of natural chaos. That's fishy. That reeks of a finely crafted propaganda campaign.
      - immibis 1y ago
        I don't. I see lots of arguments. You're engaging in one right now. COVID arguing was Reddit's most popular subreddit, back before Reddit was an AI slopfest. Is it possible that the majority opinion is the correct one and the majority arguments are the reasons why it's correct? I mean, that's how it works with the blue sky, round earth, and fiber optic internet narratives.
        analog8374 1y ago
        Irrc, dissent from the official narrative about covid on reddit got culled with extreme prejudice. And the protofascistic multitudes were overjoyed to play along.
        1y ago
estearum 1y ago
> I still haven't seen anyone attempt to do a cost-benefit on whether the COVID lockdowns were a net good This really exposes your own lack of curiosity more than anything. There are, of course, dozens of published papers on exactly this question which arrive at highly variable conclusions.
immibis 1y ago
> But, key difference, the people pushing green sky or flat earth narrative don't get deplatformed, fired, yelled at or called Nazis. They would if they had political power and were using it in support of these narratives.

by roenxi 1y ago

shakna 1y ago

> But, key difference, the people pushing green sky or flat earth narrative don't get deplatformed, fired, yelled at or called Nazis. ... You know that people show insane behaviour regularly get shadow-banned, right? And don't get called on by every piece of media for their position? That people wearing tinfoil have been regularly shouted at and harassed since it became a thing? If you really want to not be called a Nazi... Don't make friends with people who call themselves that, don't attend the same parties as them, and don't make the same false claims as them.

thrance 1y ago

The president and the secretary of health both believe vaccines give autism and covid was nothing but a big fever. You act like "covid skepticism" isn't mainstream in the highest spheres of power.

UncleMeat 1y ago

Professors have been publishing papers advocating for legal bans of gender affirming care for ages. They've been publishing papers on gender dysphoria and the medical impact of transition for ages. Heck, there are law professors on topics like "against civil rights." For covid, there are not only oodles of papers on the topic you describe here, but entire books written by academics on the topic. These people remain employed at premier institutions. The question of the cost benefit analysis of remote schooling (costs to education outcomes and costs to parents having less available childcare against costs to public health) has been a particular vigorous topic of discussion.

analog8374 1y ago
Entire books you say.
- UncleMeat 1y ago
  Yes, even ones that are expressly critical of the policies. In Covid's Wake is a rather famous recent example. The authors are both professors at a prestigious university. They were interviewed by all sorts of outlets, including left leaning outlets. The idea that doing a cost-benefit analysis of various covid policies would get academics expelled from the academy is just not based in fact.
  - analog8374 1y ago
    My first criticism is the unity of popular opinion. (Ironic, yes). I see this majority, holding the exact same opinion, offering the exact same arguments in support of that opinion, implementing that opinion in exactly the same way. In lockstep. There's a definite lack of natural chaos. That's fishy. That reeks of a finely crafted propaganda campaign.
    - immibis 1y ago
      I don't. I see lots of arguments. You're engaging in one right now. COVID arguing was Reddit's most popular subreddit, back before Reddit was an AI slopfest. Is it possible that the majority opinion is the correct one and the majority arguments are the reasons why it's correct? I mean, that's how it works with the blue sky, round earth, and fiber optic internet narratives.
      - analog8374 1y ago
        Irrc, dissent from the official narrative about covid on reddit got culled with extreme prejudice. And the protofascistic multitudes were overjoyed to play along.
        1y ago

estearum 1y ago

> I still haven't seen anyone attempt to do a cost-benefit on whether the COVID lockdowns were a net good This really exposes your own lack of curiosity more than anything. There are, of course, dozens of published papers on exactly this question which arrive at highly variable conclusions.

immibis 1y ago

> But, key difference, the people pushing green sky or flat earth narrative don't get deplatformed, fired, yelled at or called Nazis. They would if they had political power and were using it in support of these narratives.