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> The early narrative was that companies would need fewer seniors, and juniors together with AI could produce quality code I have never heard that before

tbrownaw 1y ago
I heard that it was supposed to replace developers (no "senior" or "junior" qualifier), by letting non-technical people make things.
- refactor_master 1y ago
  Ah yes, data citizens and no-code. I wonder what kind of insanity we’ll see in the future.
- lodovic 1y ago
  That's just not going to happen. Senior devs will get 5-10 times as productive, wielding an army of agents comparable to junior devs. Other people will increasingly get lost in the architecture, fundamental bugs, rewrites, agent loops, and ambiguities of software design. I have never been able to take up as much work as I currently do.
  - fxj 1y ago
    I see it at our place that seniors get more productive but also that juniors get faster on track and more easily learn the basics that are needed and to do basic tasks like doumentation and tutorial writing. It helps both groups but it does not make a 100x coder out of a newbee or even code by itself. This was a pipe dream from the beginning and some people/companies still sell it that way. In the end AI is a tool that helps everyone to get better but the knowledge and creativity is still in the people not in the input files of chatgpt.
  - rcxdude 1y ago
    The effect I have observed is that it's fairly good at tricking people who are latently capable of programming but have been intimidated by it. They will fall for the promise of not having to code, but then wind up having to reason and learn about the LLM's output and fix it themselves, but in the end they do wind up with something they would not have made otherwise. It's still not good or elegant code, but it's often the kind of very useful small hacky utility that would not be made otherwise.

tbrownaw 1y ago

I heard that it was supposed to replace developers (no "senior" or "junior" qualifier), by letting non-technical people make things.

refactor_master 1y ago
Ah yes, data citizens and no-code. I wonder what kind of insanity we’ll see in the future.
lodovic 1y ago
That's just not going to happen. Senior devs will get 5-10 times as productive, wielding an army of agents comparable to junior devs. Other people will increasingly get lost in the architecture, fundamental bugs, rewrites, agent loops, and ambiguities of software design. I have never been able to take up as much work as I currently do.
- fxj 1y ago
  I see it at our place that seniors get more productive but also that juniors get faster on track and more easily learn the basics that are needed and to do basic tasks like doumentation and tutorial writing. It helps both groups but it does not make a 100x coder out of a newbee or even code by itself. This was a pipe dream from the beginning and some people/companies still sell it that way. In the end AI is a tool that helps everyone to get better but the knowledge and creativity is still in the people not in the input files of chatgpt.
- rcxdude 1y ago
  The effect I have observed is that it's fairly good at tricking people who are latently capable of programming but have been intimidated by it. They will fall for the promise of not having to code, but then wind up having to reason and learn about the LLM's output and fix it themselves, but in the end they do wind up with something they would not have made otherwise. It's still not good or elegant code, but it's often the kind of very useful small hacky utility that would not be made otherwise.