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Then the kid moves to NYC, loves it, meets someone, has a kid, and realizes they need two SUV’s and a heated garage near good schools.

tehjoker 1y ago
then you ask yourself why aren’t the schools good enough in nyc… and it leads you down a rabbit hole
wpm 1y ago
Somehow my parents managed to raise me without any SUVs.
- FredPret 1y ago
  Not saying you need the above, but you’ll feel like you do. It’s certainly the easier way
  - thelamest 1y ago
    Addressing the hypothetical person you’re describing: car infrastructure may solve some needs, but it is in direct conflict with other needs. Give every adult a guaranteed parking space just at home and at work, and the physical space required for that alone is an unbelievable double-digit percentage of the city area. Cities are so valuable because they pack a lot of amenities and markets (including your family’s schools and workplaces) in a compact area. Place everything significantly further apart, add more concrete and noise, and you’ve lost on all fronts: safety, charm and efficiency.
    - FredPret 1y ago
      > car infrastructure may solve some needs, but it is in direct conflict with other needs True for all infrastructure choices > the physical space required for that alone is an unbelievable double-digit percentage of the city area True, and I do miss big city life, but all the major cities have been captured by anti-development fanatics of a particular political bent vehemently opposed to me, people like me, and our priorities. Conclusion: double-garage areas work best for my mix of requirements.
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strken 1y ago
You can have two SUVs, a heated garage, and also ride a bike or take the train to work. You can get a reasonable second hand bike for under $100 here and probably in most of the US, it's not like you need to sacrifice the garage heating to afford one. I get that density and banning cars are hostile to driving an SUV everywhere, but bike infrastructure and public transport aren't. If anything they take traffic off the road and speed up the morning commute of drivers, so they enable a better experience for drivers too.
lurking_swe 1y ago
this comment cracks me up because i’m the suburban kid who moved to NYC, loved it, had a kid, and continue to tease my parents for “ruining” my childhood. Being trapped in your suburban neighborhood without access to a car is a special kind of hell. During the week mom and dad were too tired to drive me anywhere after work, unless it was urgent. Long commutes. Weekends were fun - sometimes. There were SOME really awesome things about suburbia though. Snow days were the best.

tehjoker 1y ago

then you ask yourself why aren’t the schools good enough in nyc… and it leads you down a rabbit hole

wpm 1y ago

Somehow my parents managed to raise me without any SUVs.

FredPret 1y ago
Not saying you need the above, but you’ll feel like you do. It’s certainly the easier way
- thelamest 1y ago
  Addressing the hypothetical person you’re describing: car infrastructure may solve some needs, but it is in direct conflict with other needs. Give every adult a guaranteed parking space just at home and at work, and the physical space required for that alone is an unbelievable double-digit percentage of the city area. Cities are so valuable because they pack a lot of amenities and markets (including your family’s schools and workplaces) in a compact area. Place everything significantly further apart, add more concrete and noise, and you’ve lost on all fronts: safety, charm and efficiency.
  - FredPret 1y ago
    > car infrastructure may solve some needs, but it is in direct conflict with other needs True for all infrastructure choices > the physical space required for that alone is an unbelievable double-digit percentage of the city area True, and I do miss big city life, but all the major cities have been captured by anti-development fanatics of a particular political bent vehemently opposed to me, people like me, and our priorities. Conclusion: double-garage areas work best for my mix of requirements.

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strken 1y ago

You can have two SUVs, a heated garage, and also ride a bike or take the train to work. You can get a reasonable second hand bike for under $100 here and probably in most of the US, it's not like you need to sacrifice the garage heating to afford one. I get that density and banning cars are hostile to driving an SUV everywhere, but bike infrastructure and public transport aren't. If anything they take traffic off the road and speed up the morning commute of drivers, so they enable a better experience for drivers too.

lurking_swe 1y ago

this comment cracks me up because i’m the suburban kid who moved to NYC, loved it, had a kid, and continue to tease my parents for “ruining” my childhood. Being trapped in your suburban neighborhood without access to a car is a special kind of hell. During the week mom and dad were too tired to drive me anywhere after work, unless it was urgent. Long commutes. Weekends were fun - sometimes. There were SOME really awesome things about suburbia though. Snow days were the best.