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My point is that you should tell that to the US-based individuals who choose to donate to pro-Israel candidates, or donate to other candidates yourself (if you'

by shykes 1y ago

My point is that you should tell that to the US-based individuals who choose to donate to pro-Israel candidates, or donate to other candidates yourself (if you're legally allowed to), instead of attacking their ability to exercise their right to donate.

MomsAVoxell 1y ago
The point is, donations from an active vocal minority aren't the only way to deal with the problem of subjugation of one government to another, especially when those governments are in the process of committing heinous acts of terror, war crimes, and crimes against humanity at massive scale. If it works on Russia, it'll work for Israel.
muddi900 1y ago
This is a highly simplistic look at the facts. It is clear that these are not just citizens funding local candidates. Also, they are advocating for a foreign nation. Under FARA rules they should be registered as forein agents.
- shykes 1y ago
  > It is clear that these are not just citizens funding local candidates Not only is it not clear, it's nonsensical. To summarize the facts: - AIPAC is a 501(c)(4) nonprofit. Their historical role is to vet and recommend candidates; then their members make the actual donations. - Federal law prohibit foreign nationals from contributing directly - Candidates are required by law to enforce this - Donors must provide name, address, occupation and employer if the donation is above $200. So you're basically claiming that AIPAC members are engaged in a conspiracy to break federal election laws. That is a "flat earth" level of conspiracy theory, so the least you could do is provide arguments to back your claim. > Also, they are advocating for a foreign nation. Under FARA rules they should be registered as forein agents. This is false. AIPAC is a US-funded and US-staffed organization, advocating for US foreign policy. It does not receive funding or instructions from Israel. Therefore FARA does not apply to it. Note that I already explained this in my earlier post... Your blind spot is that you can't fathom that US-based individuals legitimately care about US-Israel friendship, and wish to donate to US candidates accordingly. In your mind, AIPAC cannot possibly reflect the political priorities of regular Americans. The only plausible explanation for its influence is a conspiracy by the evil Jewish state, pulling strings in the shadows... I'll point out the elephant in the room: Jews pulling strings in the shadows, manipulating a host country's politics for their nefarious aims... Those are the same antisemitic claims used by Tsarist Russia and Nazi Germany.

by shykes 1y ago

MomsAVoxell 1y ago

The point is, donations from an active vocal minority aren't the only way to deal with the problem of subjugation of one government to another, especially when those governments are in the process of committing heinous acts of terror, war crimes, and crimes against humanity at massive scale. If it works on Russia, it'll work for Israel.

muddi900 1y ago

This is a highly simplistic look at the facts. It is clear that these are not just citizens funding local candidates. Also, they are advocating for a foreign nation. Under FARA rules they should be registered as forein agents.

shykes 1y ago
> It is clear that these are not just citizens funding local candidates Not only is it not clear, it's nonsensical. To summarize the facts: - AIPAC is a 501(c)(4) nonprofit. Their historical role is to vet and recommend candidates; then their members make the actual donations. - Federal law prohibit foreign nationals from contributing directly - Candidates are required by law to enforce this - Donors must provide name, address, occupation and employer if the donation is above $200. So you're basically claiming that AIPAC members are engaged in a conspiracy to break federal election laws. That is a "flat earth" level of conspiracy theory, so the least you could do is provide arguments to back your claim. > Also, they are advocating for a foreign nation. Under FARA rules they should be registered as forein agents. This is false. AIPAC is a US-funded and US-staffed organization, advocating for US foreign policy. It does not receive funding or instructions from Israel. Therefore FARA does not apply to it. Note that I already explained this in my earlier post... Your blind spot is that you can't fathom that US-based individuals legitimately care about US-Israel friendship, and wish to donate to US candidates accordingly. In your mind, AIPAC cannot possibly reflect the political priorities of regular Americans. The only plausible explanation for its influence is a conspiracy by the evil Jewish state, pulling strings in the shadows... I'll point out the elephant in the room: Jews pulling strings in the shadows, manipulating a host country's politics for their nefarious aims... Those are the same antisemitic claims used by Tsarist Russia and Nazi Germany.