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Apple internally must be a constant battle between those who want to unify iOS and macOS and those who understand they’re different systems with different purpo

Apple internally must be a constant battle between those who want to unify iOS and macOS and those who understand they’re different systems with different purposes, and need different treatment. Craig Federighi was a strong proponent of the latter camp but maybe he’s just getting on in years. Goes to show that key people being good and caring a lot can be all that stops things from backsliding. So the battle for macOS is being slowly lost. Lucky we have KDE. If it keeps going this way my next laptop won’t have that fruit logo. And that is a real shame.

rapind 1y ago
I remember many years ago (Snow Leopard) I liked Apple's OS enough to build a hackintosh, because the hardware wasn't great (subjective opinion). Now I like the hardware enough, but have been gradually annoyed enough with the OS that I'd much rather be running Linux. At least I can just turn off most of the "modern" features, but I'm in that "keeping an eye out for potential alternatives" phase.
- happymellon 1y ago
  I've been quite frustrated today with my Jabra headset constantly triggering Apple Music. There are plenty of mandatory features we unfortunately can't uninstall. I can't think of a scenario where I want Apple music on my work laptop.
  - 1bpp 1y ago
    I use https://github.com/tombonez/noTunes https://github.com/tombonez/noTunes to fix this "feature"
- johnisgood 1y ago
  I relate to this. I loved Snow Leopard. I used Hackintosh. Now there is no way I want to use that OS and there are just too many reasons to list by now.
sumuyuda 1y ago
Mojave was the last macOS version that had any features I cared about. Now each release is about how bad did they trash the macOS UI. Switching to Linux has been great.
- antinomicus 1y ago
  I’d love to switch to Linux but it seems impossible as someone who relies on macOS / logic for music production. I’m in too deep and feel like the floor is coming out from under me with all these insane changes and the direction Apple is taking
  - rvrb 1y ago
    I know they’re different workflows entirely, but you could start dabbling with Bitwig, which is really good and runs on both macOS and Linux, then eventually switch when you feel like you’re out of the workflow hole But to be honest, I’m still using Bitwig on a Mac for my studio despite having switched everywhere else to Linux
- ben_w 1y ago
  For me, it was Mountain Lion. Otherwise, much the same.
- imglorp 1y ago
  How are the ARM Linux on Mac projects going? Does anybody daily drive those yet?
galad87 1y ago
Actually lately iPadOS is the one getting most of its features from macOS. iPadOS 26 introduced a menu bar, just like macOS, and a new windows manager that's just the same as macOS.
- radley 1y ago
  I feel like this is more of a calculated step towards eliminating macOS, because iPadOS can do "everything" too. I expect it will happen within a few years after Xcode for iPad is released. MacOS is simply too open for Apple's business goals.
  - SirMaster 1y ago
    Do you really think that Apple would alienate the big creative industries like Hollywood movie studios who use macOS? Or do you really think that all their apps and toolsets will run on whatever you are saying is the future of macOS.
    - WorldPeas 1y ago
      Those are more likely to continue working as they mostly work within the lines defined by the apple developer spec. The most likely workflows to break are those of programmers, as they require frequent execution of untrusted binaries and access to the system directories in some cases
    - cyberax 1y ago
      > Do you really think that Apple would alienate the big creative industries like Hollywood movie studios who use macOS? "We don’t care. We don’t have to. We’re the phone company" skit perfectly applies to Apple these days ( https://snltranscripts.jt.org/76/76aphonecompany.phtml https://snltranscripts.jt.org/76/76aphonecompany.phtml ). A middle manager from Apple will easily toss all of Hollywood under the bus if it gets them a checkbox "shipped new toggle switch experience" and a promotion. And the upper management at Apple long since stopped caring about that.
    - overfeed 1y ago
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b_e_n_t_o_n 1y ago
I think this change makes sense on both platforms. If you're gonna use it as an example of why merging the platforms is bad, I think you just strengthen the opposite argument.

rapind 1y ago

I remember many years ago (Snow Leopard) I liked Apple's OS enough to build a hackintosh, because the hardware wasn't great (subjective opinion). Now I like the hardware enough, but have been gradually annoyed enough with the OS that I'd much rather be running Linux. At least I can just turn off most of the "modern" features, but I'm in that "keeping an eye out for potential alternatives" phase.

happymellon 1y ago
I've been quite frustrated today with my Jabra headset constantly triggering Apple Music. There are plenty of mandatory features we unfortunately can't uninstall. I can't think of a scenario where I want Apple music on my work laptop.
- 1bpp 1y ago
  I use https://github.com/tombonez/noTunes https://github.com/tombonez/noTunes to fix this "feature"
johnisgood 1y ago
I relate to this. I loved Snow Leopard. I used Hackintosh. Now there is no way I want to use that OS and there are just too many reasons to list by now.

sumuyuda 1y ago

Mojave was the last macOS version that had any features I cared about. Now each release is about how bad did they trash the macOS UI. Switching to Linux has been great.

antinomicus 1y ago
I’d love to switch to Linux but it seems impossible as someone who relies on macOS / logic for music production. I’m in too deep and feel like the floor is coming out from under me with all these insane changes and the direction Apple is taking
- rvrb 1y ago
  I know they’re different workflows entirely, but you could start dabbling with Bitwig, which is really good and runs on both macOS and Linux, then eventually switch when you feel like you’re out of the workflow hole But to be honest, I’m still using Bitwig on a Mac for my studio despite having switched everywhere else to Linux
ben_w 1y ago
For me, it was Mountain Lion. Otherwise, much the same.
imglorp 1y ago
How are the ARM Linux on Mac projects going? Does anybody daily drive those yet?

galad87 1y ago

Actually lately iPadOS is the one getting most of its features from macOS. iPadOS 26 introduced a menu bar, just like macOS, and a new windows manager that's just the same as macOS.

radley 1y ago
I feel like this is more of a calculated step towards eliminating macOS, because iPadOS can do "everything" too. I expect it will happen within a few years after Xcode for iPad is released. MacOS is simply too open for Apple's business goals.
- SirMaster 1y ago
  Do you really think that Apple would alienate the big creative industries like Hollywood movie studios who use macOS? Or do you really think that all their apps and toolsets will run on whatever you are saying is the future of macOS.
  - WorldPeas 1y ago
    Those are more likely to continue working as they mostly work within the lines defined by the apple developer spec. The most likely workflows to break are those of programmers, as they require frequent execution of untrusted binaries and access to the system directories in some cases
  - cyberax 1y ago
    > Do you really think that Apple would alienate the big creative industries like Hollywood movie studios who use macOS? "We don’t care. We don’t have to. We’re the phone company" skit perfectly applies to Apple these days ( https://snltranscripts.jt.org/76/76aphonecompany.phtml https://snltranscripts.jt.org/76/76aphonecompany.phtml ). A middle manager from Apple will easily toss all of Hollywood under the bus if it gets them a checkbox "shipped new toggle switch experience" and a promotion. And the upper management at Apple long since stopped caring about that.
  - overfeed 1y ago

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b_e_n_t_o_n 1y ago

I think this change makes sense on both platforms. If you're gonna use it as an example of why merging the platforms is bad, I think you just strengthen the opposite argument.