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"I think the crucial issue here is Android app compatibility ..." I thought there was a robust android emulator for linux such that I could run android apps -

by rsync 1y ago

"I think the crucial issue here is Android app compatibility ..." I thought there was a robust android emulator for linux such that I could run android apps - and call an Uber or whatever - from desktop linux ... Is that not so ?

IlikeKitties 1y ago
>I thought there was a robust android emulator for linux such that I could run android apps - and call an Uber or whatever - from desktop linux ... There are some but not really great and it will become impossible very soon with remote attestation and play integrity. Already Uber is one of the few apps that have the hardware attestation keys for grapheneos manually added.
- drnick1 1y ago
  In my experience, Waydroid works very well actually. The question is whether it wouldn't just be simpler and better to use AOSP (or Graphene) as the OS for these phones. In principle, a "Linux phone" sounds great, until you realize that there are close to zero Linux programs that are actually usable on a small touch display. The Android project already has done the hard work of adapting Linux to mobile devices and FOSS apps are plentiful and polished. The problem with the common variety of Android phones is control by Google, not the underlying tech.
  - johnisgood 1y ago
    Wait, many people are complaining that PC applications and websites are designed with a touch screen / mobile in mind... Think about the UI, huge spacing, etc. So which is it?
  - linmob 1y ago
    > close to zero Linux programs that are actually usable on a small touch display Beg to differ: https://linuxphoneapps.org/ https://linuxphoneapps.org/ (And no, that does not list all of them. Only all I got around to adding.)
    - drnick1 1y ago
      Fair enough, but how many of these are as polished as their Android counterparts? How many are still actively maintained and will be for the foreseeable future? Android already is "Linux for mobile devices" and has all the features people expect from a phone. Reinventing the wheel on the software side seems counterproductive when what we need is simply more hardware to run Android on. I wish Furi collaborated with Graphene or Lineage and released a proper FLOSS Android device instead of going the "desktop Linux" route.
      - gf000 1y ago
        AFAIK GrapheneOS is in the talks with a hardware company and we may end up with a GrapheneOS-first device!

by rsync 1y ago

IlikeKitties 1y ago

>I thought there was a robust android emulator for linux such that I could run android apps - and call an Uber or whatever - from desktop linux ... There are some but not really great and it will become impossible very soon with remote attestation and play integrity. Already Uber is one of the few apps that have the hardware attestation keys for grapheneos manually added.

drnick1 1y ago
In my experience, Waydroid works very well actually. The question is whether it wouldn't just be simpler and better to use AOSP (or Graphene) as the OS for these phones. In principle, a "Linux phone" sounds great, until you realize that there are close to zero Linux programs that are actually usable on a small touch display. The Android project already has done the hard work of adapting Linux to mobile devices and FOSS apps are plentiful and polished. The problem with the common variety of Android phones is control by Google, not the underlying tech.
- johnisgood 1y ago
  Wait, many people are complaining that PC applications and websites are designed with a touch screen / mobile in mind... Think about the UI, huge spacing, etc. So which is it?
- linmob 1y ago
  > close to zero Linux programs that are actually usable on a small touch display Beg to differ: https://linuxphoneapps.org/ https://linuxphoneapps.org/ (And no, that does not list all of them. Only all I got around to adding.)
  - drnick1 1y ago
    Fair enough, but how many of these are as polished as their Android counterparts? How many are still actively maintained and will be for the foreseeable future? Android already is "Linux for mobile devices" and has all the features people expect from a phone. Reinventing the wheel on the software side seems counterproductive when what we need is simply more hardware to run Android on. I wish Furi collaborated with Graphene or Lineage and released a proper FLOSS Android device instead of going the "desktop Linux" route.
    - gf000 1y ago
      AFAIK GrapheneOS is in the talks with a hardware company and we may end up with a GrapheneOS-first device!