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Homegrown digital road maps turn into lifelines for West Bank’s Palestinians

47 points by vinnyglennon 1y ago

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  - OutOfHere 1y ago
    That's a huge region: > The Promised Land, as outlined in the Bible, encompasses parts of Israel, Palestinian Territories, Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, Egypt, and Iraq, depending on the breadth of the passage being referenced.
    - woleium 1y ago
      Yes. Welcome to a time of geopolitical instability.
- Protostome 1y ago
  People who don’t really follow the region often paint Israeli moves as a "land grab." But since Oct 7, 2023, Israel’s been taking a much more active line against jihadist groups across the neighborhood. And look at Syria: the current president, Ahmed al-Sharaa (better known as Abu Mohammad al-Julani), used to lead HTS and before that Jabhat al-Nusra—both tied to al-Qaeda. That’s not exactly a situation where "just wait it out" sounds responsible. For years, most Israelis backed a two-state solution. That faith took a beating after the Second Intifada, and support’s been sliding and splitting along political lines ever since. Over the last two decades, extremists on both sides took over most of the public debate, and "peace talks" became a heresy. When you talk to pro-Palestinian-state advocates, a simple litmus test is:"Do you accept Israel’s right to exist?" Too often, the answer is no. With this kind of line of thought, you can't really make peace - this is exactly what "River to the Sea" mean to Israelis who hear people all over the world chanting this phrase. If you want unfiltered street-level vibes from both sides, Corey Gil-Shuster’s YouTube channel is a gold mine of candid answers. You'd be surprised how many times the notion of palestinian "peace" is judenfrei Isreal (Saying basically, that jews should go back to europe) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xH1iV1fb2pg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xH1iV1fb2pg
  - OutOfHere 1y ago
    I don't know how that justifies not even giving the Palestinians a fair chance to evacuate into other countries, and just genociding all of their civilians instead without this option.
    - Protostome 1y ago
      That's not true - Palestinians are allowed to evacuate. The border has been closed by Egypt, not by Israel. Just this month, for example, a group of children was evacuated and flown to the UK for urgent treatment. Since Gaza has no airport, they could only leave through Egypt or Israel. For context, there was an Israeli volunteer organization called Road to Recovery, made up of citizens who drove patients/children, the elderly, and others—from the border crossings to hospitals across Israel for medical care. Many of the volunteers lived near Gaza themselves. On October 7th, when Hamas invaded Israel, those very volunteers were deliberately targeted and murdered. One of them was Vivian Silver, a remarkable woman who dedicated years to this mission. The cruelty, hatred, and fanaticism of Hamas is almost impossible to grasp for those who don’t live with it. It’s easy to get swept up in narratives shaped by popular media, but those accounts are rarely impartial when it comes to this conflict.

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- OutOfHere 1y ago
  That's a huge region: > The Promised Land, as outlined in the Bible, encompasses parts of Israel, Palestinian Territories, Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, Egypt, and Iraq, depending on the breadth of the passage being referenced.
  - woleium 1y ago
    Yes. Welcome to a time of geopolitical instability.
Protostome 1y ago
People who don’t really follow the region often paint Israeli moves as a "land grab." But since Oct 7, 2023, Israel’s been taking a much more active line against jihadist groups across the neighborhood. And look at Syria: the current president, Ahmed al-Sharaa (better known as Abu Mohammad al-Julani), used to lead HTS and before that Jabhat al-Nusra—both tied to al-Qaeda. That’s not exactly a situation where "just wait it out" sounds responsible. For years, most Israelis backed a two-state solution. That faith took a beating after the Second Intifada, and support’s been sliding and splitting along political lines ever since. Over the last two decades, extremists on both sides took over most of the public debate, and "peace talks" became a heresy. When you talk to pro-Palestinian-state advocates, a simple litmus test is:"Do you accept Israel’s right to exist?" Too often, the answer is no. With this kind of line of thought, you can't really make peace - this is exactly what "River to the Sea" mean to Israelis who hear people all over the world chanting this phrase. If you want unfiltered street-level vibes from both sides, Corey Gil-Shuster’s YouTube channel is a gold mine of candid answers. You'd be surprised how many times the notion of palestinian "peace" is judenfrei Isreal (Saying basically, that jews should go back to europe) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xH1iV1fb2pg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xH1iV1fb2pg
- OutOfHere 1y ago
  I don't know how that justifies not even giving the Palestinians a fair chance to evacuate into other countries, and just genociding all of their civilians instead without this option.
  - Protostome 1y ago
    That's not true - Palestinians are allowed to evacuate. The border has been closed by Egypt, not by Israel. Just this month, for example, a group of children was evacuated and flown to the UK for urgent treatment. Since Gaza has no airport, they could only leave through Egypt or Israel. For context, there was an Israeli volunteer organization called Road to Recovery, made up of citizens who drove patients/children, the elderly, and others—from the border crossings to hospitals across Israel for medical care. Many of the volunteers lived near Gaza themselves. On October 7th, when Hamas invaded Israel, those very volunteers were deliberately targeted and murdered. One of them was Vivian Silver, a remarkable woman who dedicated years to this mission. The cruelty, hatred, and fanaticism of Hamas is almost impossible to grasp for those who don’t live with it. It’s easy to get swept up in narratives shaped by popular media, but those accounts are rarely impartial when it comes to this conflict.