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If you get deported into a prison camp by accident, the same officials will write a letter of formal apologies to your loved ones. Well, more tech talent for I

If you get deported into a prison camp by accident, the same officials will write a letter of formal apologies to your loved ones. Well, more tech talent for India and China it seems.

Arubis 1y ago
What, in crayon? Expect victim blaming, not apologies.
- DarkNova6 1y ago
  More like "sorry, this should not have happened. It still happened, but now we can't do anything. We take full responsibility, but nothings gonna change".
  - V-eHGsd_ 1y ago
    You had me up until “we take full responsibility”. This administration is much more about darvo response when they’re caught doing something wrong.
    - grugagag 1y ago
      “ DARVO stands for "Deny, Attack, Reverse Victim and Offender," which is a tactic used by abusers to avoid accountability by denying their wrongdoing, attacking the victim, and claiming to be the real victim. This manipulation can make it difficult for others to discern the truth and often leads to the victim feeling blamed for the abuse they experienced”
- ochronus 1y ago
  thots and prayas'
gadders 1y ago
Yes, where "talent" = generic java developers writing CRUD apps for internal business functions.
- DarkNova6 1y ago
  Let's assume it really is only about code monkeys. Those asian code monkeys won't demand silly things like... unionization or decent living conditions. They are less likely to have problems with creating autonomous weapon systems that integrate facial recognition. But it's not about those people. It's about experts in IT infrastructure, AI, researchers, etc. Those kind of people don't fall from trees and know that their expertise is well sought after. And if the US is not a safe or attractive choice, they go elsewhere. Simple as that.
  - gadders 1y ago
    Those types of people can get O-1 visas.
    - nxobject 1y ago
      If you think H-1Bs are exploitative and lower working conditions, O-1s are much more so: O-1s aren’t portable between employers _and_ don’t have prevailing wage requirements.
cmxch 1y ago
“ Well, more tech talent for India and China it seems.” Not if the US has any way to prevent that.
- DarkNova6 1y ago
  How so? With more isolationist policies? Coercion? Sure, Trump could make Nvidia invest 5b into Intel. But that's only pacifying the shareholders among his cronies. It doesn't regenerate the company or bring back the burnt bridges and lost talent.
  - cmxch 1y ago
    With policies that essentially make it more expensive to effectively divert offshore. I don’t care how it happens as much as its goal of giving citizens effective first refusal. It might not play well with the infinite guest worker crowd, but it gets tiring to see generations having the same experience that has extended back into at least the early 2000s.

If you get deported into a prison camp by accident, the same officials will write a letter of formal apologies to your loved ones. Well, more tech talent for India and China it seems.

Arubis 1y ago

What, in crayon? Expect victim blaming, not apologies.

DarkNova6 1y ago
More like "sorry, this should not have happened. It still happened, but now we can't do anything. We take full responsibility, but nothings gonna change".
- V-eHGsd_ 1y ago
  You had me up until “we take full responsibility”. This administration is much more about darvo response when they’re caught doing something wrong.
  - grugagag 1y ago
    “ DARVO stands for "Deny, Attack, Reverse Victim and Offender," which is a tactic used by abusers to avoid accountability by denying their wrongdoing, attacking the victim, and claiming to be the real victim. This manipulation can make it difficult for others to discern the truth and often leads to the victim feeling blamed for the abuse they experienced”
ochronus 1y ago
thots and prayas'

gadders 1y ago

Yes, where "talent" = generic java developers writing CRUD apps for internal business functions.

DarkNova6 1y ago
Let's assume it really is only about code monkeys. Those asian code monkeys won't demand silly things like... unionization or decent living conditions. They are less likely to have problems with creating autonomous weapon systems that integrate facial recognition. But it's not about those people. It's about experts in IT infrastructure, AI, researchers, etc. Those kind of people don't fall from trees and know that their expertise is well sought after. And if the US is not a safe or attractive choice, they go elsewhere. Simple as that.
- gadders 1y ago
  Those types of people can get O-1 visas.
  - nxobject 1y ago
    If you think H-1Bs are exploitative and lower working conditions, O-1s are much more so: O-1s aren’t portable between employers _and_ don’t have prevailing wage requirements.

cmxch 1y ago

“ Well, more tech talent for India and China it seems.” Not if the US has any way to prevent that.

DarkNova6 1y ago
How so? With more isolationist policies? Coercion? Sure, Trump could make Nvidia invest 5b into Intel. But that's only pacifying the shareholders among his cronies. It doesn't regenerate the company or bring back the burnt bridges and lost talent.
- cmxch 1y ago
  With policies that essentially make it more expensive to effectively divert offshore. I don’t care how it happens as much as its goal of giving citizens effective first refusal. It might not play well with the infinite guest worker crowd, but it gets tiring to see generations having the same experience that has extended back into at least the early 2000s.