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Hey, quick question: who founded America?

yibg 1y ago
Initially? People looking for gold, silver, fur. Missionaries spreading the word of god, people escaping persecution of various sorts. Are those the people Europe and the US are look to immigrate?
- arrowsmith 1y ago
  Did they bring their parents with them?
  - yibg 1y ago
    Can't pick and choose. Would you be ok with people escaping persecution or spreading their religion coming in the country if they don't bring their parents?
    - arrowsmith 1y ago
      What point do you think you’re responding to exactly? GP mentioned “abandoning your parents” when you immigrate as if that’s absurd. In reality it’s the most normal thing imaginable. I know hundreds of people who live outside their home country and I can’t thing of a single one of them who took their parents with them. When does that ever happen?
      - mlrtime 1y ago
        100% Right! My wife "abandoned" her entire family to come to America at 18, didn't speak a word of english, had a suitcase and barely enough money to survive a week. She doesn't regret it and her family doesn't think they were abandoned. This "abandoned" idea is great example of a poor idea that goes into policy that doesn't match reality.
        yibg 1y ago
        Was she a high skilled immigrant going to America to do a job with a talent shortage? Because that's the class of immigrants we're talking about here.
      - yibg 1y ago
        > Hey, quick question: who founded America? That's what I'm responding to. That the first immigrants to America came under very different circumstances. Circumstances that wouldn't get them into America today. Abandoning your parents isn't absurd when you don't have other good options. It's also not the most normal thing imaginable. Would you abandon your parents and go to another country if they can't join you at all? We want the "best and brightest" but we also want them to have to abandon their parents to do it? Many of the best and brightest have other options.
- mr_toad 1y ago
  > Initially? People looking for gold, silver, fur. For the most part it was companies looking for gold, furs etc, with the support of their governments. Companies founded the colonies and trading posts for the benefit of the stockholders and the governments. The consideration of colonists was a distant third. When the supply of easy marks dried up they turned to indentured labour and then slavery.

yibg 1y ago

Initially? People looking for gold, silver, fur. Missionaries spreading the word of god, people escaping persecution of various sorts. Are those the people Europe and the US are look to immigrate?

arrowsmith 1y ago
Did they bring their parents with them?
- yibg 1y ago
  Can't pick and choose. Would you be ok with people escaping persecution or spreading their religion coming in the country if they don't bring their parents?
  - arrowsmith 1y ago
    What point do you think you’re responding to exactly? GP mentioned “abandoning your parents” when you immigrate as if that’s absurd. In reality it’s the most normal thing imaginable. I know hundreds of people who live outside their home country and I can’t thing of a single one of them who took their parents with them. When does that ever happen?
    - mlrtime 1y ago
      100% Right! My wife "abandoned" her entire family to come to America at 18, didn't speak a word of english, had a suitcase and barely enough money to survive a week. She doesn't regret it and her family doesn't think they were abandoned. This "abandoned" idea is great example of a poor idea that goes into policy that doesn't match reality.
      - yibg 1y ago
        Was she a high skilled immigrant going to America to do a job with a talent shortage? Because that's the class of immigrants we're talking about here.
    - yibg 1y ago
      > Hey, quick question: who founded America? That's what I'm responding to. That the first immigrants to America came under very different circumstances. Circumstances that wouldn't get them into America today. Abandoning your parents isn't absurd when you don't have other good options. It's also not the most normal thing imaginable. Would you abandon your parents and go to another country if they can't join you at all? We want the "best and brightest" but we also want them to have to abandon their parents to do it? Many of the best and brightest have other options.
mr_toad 1y ago
> Initially? People looking for gold, silver, fur. For the most part it was companies looking for gold, furs etc, with the support of their governments. Companies founded the colonies and trading posts for the benefit of the stockholders and the governments. The consideration of colonists was a distant third. When the supply of easy marks dried up they turned to indentured labour and then slavery.