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> If they can build things faster, what need is there to manipulate the statistics? A lot to unpack here. You completely blipped over the part about “no proper

> If they can build things faster, what need is there to manipulate the statistics? A lot to unpack here. You completely blipped over the part about “no property rights” which is pretty clear when you look at, for example, how their rail construction projects go. Choochoo, rail is coming through, time to move this village, no eminent domain payments necessary. > If the chinese don't have property rights, then how come they own so much property? If ownership of a half-finished concrete shell by a bankrupt construction firm on the 33rd floor is counted as “owning property”, then the statistics will look pretty good.

hearsathought 1y ago
> You completely blipped over the part about “no property rights” which is pretty clear when you look at, for example, how their rail construction projects go. Choochoo, rail is coming through, time to move this village Better than exterminating the natives to build railroads? Using your logic we don't have property rights in the US either. > no eminent domain payments necessary. Doesn't explain nail houses though. https://www.cnn.com/2015/05/19/asia/gallery/china-nail-houses https://www.cnn.com/2015/05/19/asia/gallery/china-nail-house... > If ownership of a half-finished concrete shell by a bankrupt construction firm on the 33rd floor is counted as “owning property”, then the statistics will look pretty good. Yes. 1.4 billion people live in half-finished concrete shells. Come up with something better. You guys are getting boring repeating the same nonsense over and over again.
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  - skinnymuch 1y ago
    “You lost the debate a while back”. If you are downvoted for political stuff especially when it relates to non-western things, that’s a great indicator you didn’t lose any discussion.
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skinnymuch 1y ago
Ghost cities have been shown as western made up cope. — China is not individualist in a selfish way like the west. Collectivism is a good concept. Thank god their property rights are not barbaric like the west.
platinumrad 1y ago
Where did you get the idea that they don't make eminent domain payments?
thelock85 1y ago
My great-grandmother’s home, those of her neighbors, and their church was bulldozed for the US75/I45 rebuild/connection in Dallas in the 1950s. They were given the choice of new public housing built nearby in an industrial area (around Fair Park where State Fair of Texas is held) or figuring it out on their own. Being Black and low-income meant whatever rights they “had” were hard to come by. I guess my point is rights and freedoms are unequally held, regardless of a nation’s stated values and laws. What makes/made the US great is not that things happening in China couldn’t happen here. It’s that we (used to?) aspire to greater ideals about individual freedom even if it isn’t present for all. CCP and I think Chinese citizens are under no such illusion, and in some cases reject the individual for the collective. (I’m hedging a bit since my understanding is limited second-hand anecdotes from Chinese American friends).
fakedang 1y ago
LoL what the actual fuck are you going on about? China is extremely particular about market rate eminent domain payments. The only difference being it's often a take it or leave it offer, but they make prompt payments nonetheless. That's why China ends up with cases like this: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FkePxUA6UE8 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FkePxUA6UE8
panick21_ 1y ago
Yes owning appartments is propery. I know that people in the US have an absurd glorification of the single family home but things other the single family homes are a thing in most of the world.

hearsathought 1y ago

> You completely blipped over the part about “no property rights” which is pretty clear when you look at, for example, how their rail construction projects go. Choochoo, rail is coming through, time to move this village Better than exterminating the natives to build railroads? Using your logic we don't have property rights in the US either. > no eminent domain payments necessary. Doesn't explain nail houses though. https://www.cnn.com/2015/05/19/asia/gallery/china-nail-houses https://www.cnn.com/2015/05/19/asia/gallery/china-nail-house... > If ownership of a half-finished concrete shell by a bankrupt construction firm on the 33rd floor is counted as “owning property”, then the statistics will look pretty good. Yes. 1.4 billion people live in half-finished concrete shells. Come up with something better. You guys are getting boring repeating the same nonsense over and over again.

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- skinnymuch 1y ago
  “You lost the debate a while back”. If you are downvoted for political stuff especially when it relates to non-western things, that’s a great indicator you didn’t lose any discussion.
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skinnymuch 1y ago

Ghost cities have been shown as western made up cope. — China is not individualist in a selfish way like the west. Collectivism is a good concept. Thank god their property rights are not barbaric like the west.

platinumrad 1y ago

Where did you get the idea that they don't make eminent domain payments?

thelock85 1y ago

My great-grandmother’s home, those of her neighbors, and their church was bulldozed for the US75/I45 rebuild/connection in Dallas in the 1950s. They were given the choice of new public housing built nearby in an industrial area (around Fair Park where State Fair of Texas is held) or figuring it out on their own. Being Black and low-income meant whatever rights they “had” were hard to come by. I guess my point is rights and freedoms are unequally held, regardless of a nation’s stated values and laws. What makes/made the US great is not that things happening in China couldn’t happen here. It’s that we (used to?) aspire to greater ideals about individual freedom even if it isn’t present for all. CCP and I think Chinese citizens are under no such illusion, and in some cases reject the individual for the collective. (I’m hedging a bit since my understanding is limited second-hand anecdotes from Chinese American friends).

fakedang 1y ago

LoL what the actual fuck are you going on about? China is extremely particular about market rate eminent domain payments. The only difference being it's often a take it or leave it offer, but they make prompt payments nonetheless. That's why China ends up with cases like this: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FkePxUA6UE8 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FkePxUA6UE8

panick21_ 1y ago

Yes owning appartments is propery. I know that people in the US have an absurd glorification of the single family home but things other the single family homes are a thing in most of the world.