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There was evidence of voting machine fraud, though.

by jonathanstrange 1y ago

cyanydeez 1y ago
even without fraud, republicans have gerry mandered enough states that they're silencing the public majority.
- deleted 1y ago
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lotsofpulp 1y ago
In almost every single jurisdiction? That would be an impressive fraud to pull off. https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/11/06/us/politics/presidential-election-2024-red-shift.html https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/11/06/us/politics/p... >More than 89 percent of counties in the United States shifted in favor of former President Donald J. Trump in the 2024 presidential election, according to a New York Times analysis of election results.
- jacquesm 1y ago
  No, you don't need to do that in 'almost every single jurisdiction'. That's a strawman.
  - lotsofpulp 1y ago
    It would be quite the coincidence then for all the voting precincts to swing towards the same candidate as the fraud. I find it likelier that people’s preferences simply changed.
    - jonathanstrange 1y ago
      Possible but a simple software update can also do the trick. That's just a fact and the reason why no one should trust a democracy based on voting machines. Experts have been warning against voting machines for decades.
      - lotsofpulp 1y ago
        Do all the jurisdictions use the same software? It would surprise me if we are at that level of centralization, plus no discrepancies appeared between audited paper ballots and the software counts?
        jonathanstrange 1y ago
        Why "all jurisdictions"? That's a strawman. You only need to target a few districts in swing states to secure a victory.
        idontpost 1y ago
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        lotsofpulp 1y ago
        …that is the point I am making. Which scenario is likelier: All 7 swing states went to Republicans due to fraud, and it just so happens that everywhere else also went more Republican. Or all 7 swing states went to Republicans because voters voted more Republican throughout the country? Note that not voting is the same as voting for the winning party.
      - JuniperMesos 1y ago
        Yeah, and in at least the past two elections the side that won has tried to promulgate memes that the voting machines are reliable and it's wrong to suggest that there's fraud going on; while the side that lost has tried to promulgate memes that there was something fishy about the election. I support wholesale reform to the American electoral process that would assuage the concerns of all parties and make it much more verifiable that every legal vote was counted and no illegal votes happened.
        lotsofpulp 1y ago
        > while the side that lost has tried to promulgate memes that there was something fishy about the election. Democrat leaders did not promulgate memes that there was something fishy about the Nov 2024 election results.
- Arainach 1y ago
  >89 percent of counties Land doesn't vote. People vote. What percentage of the population live in those 89% of counties?
  - lotsofpulp 1y ago
    If you scroll down, the article has a breakdown of all the various populations that voted more Republican. Here is another reputable publication: https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2025/06/26/voter-turnout-2020-2024/ https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2025/06/26/voter-turnou...
onetokeoverthe 1y ago
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djohnston 1y ago
Interesting… would you say the election was, erm, rigged?

There was evidence of voting machine fraud, though.

cyanydeez 1y ago

even without fraud, republicans have gerry mandered enough states that they're silencing the public majority.

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lotsofpulp 1y ago

In almost every single jurisdiction? That would be an impressive fraud to pull off. https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/11/06/us/politics/presidential-election-2024-red-shift.html https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/11/06/us/politics/p... >More than 89 percent of counties in the United States shifted in favor of former President Donald J. Trump in the 2024 presidential election, according to a New York Times analysis of election results.

jacquesm 1y ago
No, you don't need to do that in 'almost every single jurisdiction'. That's a strawman.
- lotsofpulp 1y ago
  It would be quite the coincidence then for all the voting precincts to swing towards the same candidate as the fraud. I find it likelier that people’s preferences simply changed.
  - jonathanstrange 1y ago
    Possible but a simple software update can also do the trick. That's just a fact and the reason why no one should trust a democracy based on voting machines. Experts have been warning against voting machines for decades.
    - lotsofpulp 1y ago
      Do all the jurisdictions use the same software? It would surprise me if we are at that level of centralization, plus no discrepancies appeared between audited paper ballots and the software counts?
      - jonathanstrange 1y ago
        Why "all jurisdictions"? That's a strawman. You only need to target a few districts in swing states to secure a victory.
        idontpost 1y ago
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        lotsofpulp 1y ago
        …that is the point I am making. Which scenario is likelier: All 7 swing states went to Republicans due to fraud, and it just so happens that everywhere else also went more Republican. Or all 7 swing states went to Republicans because voters voted more Republican throughout the country? Note that not voting is the same as voting for the winning party.
    - JuniperMesos 1y ago
      Yeah, and in at least the past two elections the side that won has tried to promulgate memes that the voting machines are reliable and it's wrong to suggest that there's fraud going on; while the side that lost has tried to promulgate memes that there was something fishy about the election. I support wholesale reform to the American electoral process that would assuage the concerns of all parties and make it much more verifiable that every legal vote was counted and no illegal votes happened.
      - lotsofpulp 1y ago
        > while the side that lost has tried to promulgate memes that there was something fishy about the election. Democrat leaders did not promulgate memes that there was something fishy about the Nov 2024 election results.
Arainach 1y ago
>89 percent of counties Land doesn't vote. People vote. What percentage of the population live in those 89% of counties?
- lotsofpulp 1y ago
  If you scroll down, the article has a breakdown of all the various populations that voted more Republican. Here is another reputable publication: https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2025/06/26/voter-turnout-2020-2024/ https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2025/06/26/voter-turnou...

onetokeoverthe 1y ago

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djohnston 1y ago

Interesting… would you say the election was, erm, rigged?