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> My Administration has worked relentlessly to undo the disastrous immigration policies of the prior administration. Genuinely ignorant here, but historically

> My Administration has worked relentlessly to undo the disastrous immigration policies of the prior administration. Genuinely ignorant here, but historically speaking, is it normal for the president to bad-mouth the previous administration so openly and often? Especially in writing like this.

terminalshort 1y ago
Generally, yes. As part of an executive order, no.
- le-mark 1y ago
  No it really hasn’t been the norm outside the past 10 years or so. Historically the new administration gets a few months, then they own it.
- gryfft 1y ago
  I really do not believe this was the case before 45. One of the generally-agreed-upon criteria for presidential candidates was that they act "Presidential", which was understood to be a sort of universally unoffensive masculine stereotype? E.g. Before 2016 it would be unthinkable for the President of the United States to openly curse beyond a "TV-PG" way. As I recall, other Presidents might decry Congress etc. but would almost never out-and-out criticize the direct previous official actions taken by the office of the Presidency.
- mexicocitinluez 1y ago
  > Generally, yes. As part of an executive order, no. Huh? Can you offer a single example of this pre-Trump?
  - docdeek 1y ago
    Some examples of Obama criticizing the Bush administration here: https://www.gbtribune.com/opinion/columnists/five-years-later-obama-again-blames-bush/ https://www.gbtribune.com/opinion/columnists/five-years-late...
    - mexicocitinluez 1y ago
      lol, gtfo “We inherited a financial crisis unlike any that we’ve seen in our time,” That's a fact of reality. Trying to compare what Trump is doing to simply stating that we were in a financial crisis when Obama took over is while every single argument with someone from the right should be done knowing they don't stand on principles and will literally redefine words and reality to try and make a point.
righthand 1y ago
No it is not and it is another lie Trump is using to destroy democracy. Typically a Potus whether he won by disagreeing (in reality or fiction) with the previous Potus, the newly elected would just move on and implement their agenda. Trump is doing this so to brand anything he does as a brilliant strategy and solution to whatever the past was. By creating blame on the system, anything you therefor come up with must be a tangible idea. All you need is for people to “give it a chance”. In reality everyone “giving it a chance” has no knowledge of how the current system works. There is no advantage to doing this unless you are a vindictive, angry, petty PoS. The important thing to keep in mind is that it is all fiction and it is ONLY Trump saying these things. It is important to let authoritarian ideas die on the vine rather than endlessly debate the strawmen and keep them alive, IMO.
ourmandave 1y ago
No, it's not normal. But Trump is making it the new normal to say sh*t about anybody not for him.
Spooky23 1y ago
Typically the president has a level of decorum. Snark is for proxies, not the leader / that’s typically a best practice for any executive, as it goes the principal the ability to walk stuff back later. That’s more of a norm than a rule. The characters in the whack pack seem the use Andrew Jackson as a model. He was similarly tasteful and also a disaster.
kjellsbells 1y ago
No, it's unprecedented. You can generally look at previous versions of the whitehouse website using the national archives, eg this one from the Bush 43 era: https://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/orders/ https://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/orders/ Also unprecedented is the use of Executive Orders to govern, as opposed to legislating through Congress, but that is not an entirely Trumpist thing, as Congress has been (take your pick) failing to govern/applying checks and balances for 20+ years now and across multiple administrations.
stevenfoster 1y ago
Teddy Roosevelt did it best and against his own successor and own party.
notmyjob 1y ago
This is a great question to find out how ignorant of American history most Americans are. The answer is sort of, but not really.

terminalshort 1y ago

Generally, yes. As part of an executive order, no.

le-mark 1y ago
No it really hasn’t been the norm outside the past 10 years or so. Historically the new administration gets a few months, then they own it.
gryfft 1y ago
I really do not believe this was the case before 45. One of the generally-agreed-upon criteria for presidential candidates was that they act "Presidential", which was understood to be a sort of universally unoffensive masculine stereotype? E.g. Before 2016 it would be unthinkable for the President of the United States to openly curse beyond a "TV-PG" way. As I recall, other Presidents might decry Congress etc. but would almost never out-and-out criticize the direct previous official actions taken by the office of the Presidency.
mexicocitinluez 1y ago
> Generally, yes. As part of an executive order, no. Huh? Can you offer a single example of this pre-Trump?
- docdeek 1y ago
  Some examples of Obama criticizing the Bush administration here: https://www.gbtribune.com/opinion/columnists/five-years-later-obama-again-blames-bush/ https://www.gbtribune.com/opinion/columnists/five-years-late...
  - mexicocitinluez 1y ago
    lol, gtfo “We inherited a financial crisis unlike any that we’ve seen in our time,” That's a fact of reality. Trying to compare what Trump is doing to simply stating that we were in a financial crisis when Obama took over is while every single argument with someone from the right should be done knowing they don't stand on principles and will literally redefine words and reality to try and make a point.

righthand 1y ago

No it is not and it is another lie Trump is using to destroy democracy. Typically a Potus whether he won by disagreeing (in reality or fiction) with the previous Potus, the newly elected would just move on and implement their agenda. Trump is doing this so to brand anything he does as a brilliant strategy and solution to whatever the past was. By creating blame on the system, anything you therefor come up with must be a tangible idea. All you need is for people to “give it a chance”. In reality everyone “giving it a chance” has no knowledge of how the current system works. There is no advantage to doing this unless you are a vindictive, angry, petty PoS. The important thing to keep in mind is that it is all fiction and it is ONLY Trump saying these things. It is important to let authoritarian ideas die on the vine rather than endlessly debate the strawmen and keep them alive, IMO.

ourmandave 1y ago

No, it's not normal. But Trump is making it the new normal to say sh*t about anybody not for him.

Spooky23 1y ago

Typically the president has a level of decorum. Snark is for proxies, not the leader / that’s typically a best practice for any executive, as it goes the principal the ability to walk stuff back later. That’s more of a norm than a rule. The characters in the whack pack seem the use Andrew Jackson as a model. He was similarly tasteful and also a disaster.

kjellsbells 1y ago

No, it's unprecedented. You can generally look at previous versions of the whitehouse website using the national archives, eg this one from the Bush 43 era: https://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/orders/ https://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/orders/ Also unprecedented is the use of Executive Orders to govern, as opposed to legislating through Congress, but that is not an entirely Trumpist thing, as Congress has been (take your pick) failing to govern/applying checks and balances for 20+ years now and across multiple administrations.

stevenfoster 1y ago

Teddy Roosevelt did it best and against his own successor and own party.

notmyjob 1y ago

This is a great question to find out how ignorant of American history most Americans are. The answer is sort of, but not really.