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The left will never take responsibility for the casualties of their culture wars. They got high silencing people they didn’t like with righteous fury, all the w

The left will never take responsibility for the casualties of their culture wars. They got high silencing people they didn’t like with righteous fury, all the while never taking time to think what would happen if the same behavior was turned on them. Now we are under a fascist regime where you can only speak in government approved language.

nickpeterson 1y ago
But the casualties of prior cancel culture were usually public figures who did racist or sexist things, not people who criticized the administration? I can’t believe you don’t understand this distinction.
- deadbabe 1y ago
  It literally doesn’t matter, it’s not illegal to be racist or sexist. You are free to not interact with those people, but it’s not illegal. You may not be able to practice discrimination legally, but in your heart and mind you can be whatever you want. When you take that away from people, they no longer feel free, and they will retaliate like a caged animal.
  - amanaplanacanal 1y ago
    So... Other people used their freedom of speech to call out racism or whatever, but that was wrong. Only the racists get freedom of speech I guess.
  - nickpeterson 1y ago
    You’re right, but would you also agree there is a difference between a bunch of people in social media saying, “we don’t like this racist person, you should fire them.” And a government official saying, “we don’t like what our critics say, we’re going to revoke their ability to broadcast unless they fire their employee”.
    - deadbabe 1y ago
      No!! Because the government and its elected officials are merely a representative for a bunch of people!
      - ModernMech 1y ago
        Government officials are not merely representatives of a bunch of people, they have vested power and have sworn an oath to protect and defend the Constitution. Whereas groups of people can get together and decide to boycott whatever they want, government officials cannot direct such activities. That's the right to free association and expression protected by the first amendment. The only way you're ever going to get rid of "cancel culture" is if you remove that right. If people can't decide for themselves what they want to buy, and if they can't decide to associate with similarly minded people, there is no first amendment right to free speech. And as bad as everyone says cancel culture is, no one has proposed a model where free speech is maintained yet cancel culture is forbidden. Most models proposed to are explicitly anti-free speech. The rest are just fascist, which incidentally that's the plan this administration is going with. So congrats, maybe you got rid of cancel culture, but you took down the first amendment with it.
amanaplanacanal 1y ago
Right. Government censorship is exactly the same behavior as private citizens choosing who to listen to. That take is exactly the problem here. That's not how the first amendment works. I can't tell if you are confused, or are intentionally trying to confuse others.
- deadbabe 1y ago
  Give it a rest, it was not just “people deciding who to listen to”. People were being fired. People were being shamed at scale. People’s careers were being ruined. Some committed suicide. All because of some shit they said online. It just shouldn’t be that easy.
  - amanaplanacanal 1y ago
    Yes. Your boss can fire you for being racist or sexist or whatever. That's between you and your boss. The government can't threaten you and get you fired. That's unconstitutional. You perhaps aren't familiar with our first amendment? What part of the world are you from?
    - deadbabe 1y ago
      If your boss is pressured to fire you, whether that pressure comes from the government or a mass of people who don’t like you, the damage to our liberties is still the same. Just because a million people hate you for something you said does not mean you should be punished as they see fit. Any punishment should be limited to social status, not employment or other societal benefits. Otherwise, why not just deny healthcare to racists, sexists, or people not aligned with the ruling party’s interests?
- PunchTornado 1y ago
  I hope you enjoy the world you helped create
  - amanaplanacanal 1y ago
denkmoon 1y ago
If only those dirty commies didn't light the reichstag on fire.

nickpeterson 1y ago

But the casualties of prior cancel culture were usually public figures who did racist or sexist things, not people who criticized the administration? I can’t believe you don’t understand this distinction.

deadbabe 1y ago
It literally doesn’t matter, it’s not illegal to be racist or sexist. You are free to not interact with those people, but it’s not illegal. You may not be able to practice discrimination legally, but in your heart and mind you can be whatever you want. When you take that away from people, they no longer feel free, and they will retaliate like a caged animal.
- amanaplanacanal 1y ago
  So... Other people used their freedom of speech to call out racism or whatever, but that was wrong. Only the racists get freedom of speech I guess.
- nickpeterson 1y ago
  You’re right, but would you also agree there is a difference between a bunch of people in social media saying, “we don’t like this racist person, you should fire them.” And a government official saying, “we don’t like what our critics say, we’re going to revoke their ability to broadcast unless they fire their employee”.
  - deadbabe 1y ago
    No!! Because the government and its elected officials are merely a representative for a bunch of people!
    - ModernMech 1y ago
      Government officials are not merely representatives of a bunch of people, they have vested power and have sworn an oath to protect and defend the Constitution. Whereas groups of people can get together and decide to boycott whatever they want, government officials cannot direct such activities. That's the right to free association and expression protected by the first amendment. The only way you're ever going to get rid of "cancel culture" is if you remove that right. If people can't decide for themselves what they want to buy, and if they can't decide to associate with similarly minded people, there is no first amendment right to free speech. And as bad as everyone says cancel culture is, no one has proposed a model where free speech is maintained yet cancel culture is forbidden. Most models proposed to are explicitly anti-free speech. The rest are just fascist, which incidentally that's the plan this administration is going with. So congrats, maybe you got rid of cancel culture, but you took down the first amendment with it.

amanaplanacanal 1y ago

Right. Government censorship is exactly the same behavior as private citizens choosing who to listen to. That take is exactly the problem here. That's not how the first amendment works. I can't tell if you are confused, or are intentionally trying to confuse others.

deadbabe 1y ago
Give it a rest, it was not just “people deciding who to listen to”. People were being fired. People were being shamed at scale. People’s careers were being ruined. Some committed suicide. All because of some shit they said online. It just shouldn’t be that easy.
- amanaplanacanal 1y ago
  Yes. Your boss can fire you for being racist or sexist or whatever. That's between you and your boss. The government can't threaten you and get you fired. That's unconstitutional. You perhaps aren't familiar with our first amendment? What part of the world are you from?
  - deadbabe 1y ago
    If your boss is pressured to fire you, whether that pressure comes from the government or a mass of people who don’t like you, the damage to our liberties is still the same. Just because a million people hate you for something you said does not mean you should be punished as they see fit. Any punishment should be limited to social status, not employment or other societal benefits. Otherwise, why not just deny healthcare to racists, sexists, or people not aligned with the ruling party’s interests?
PunchTornado 1y ago
I hope you enjoy the world you helped create
- amanaplanacanal 1y ago

denkmoon 1y ago

If only those dirty commies didn't light the reichstag on fire.