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This will probably not live long on hacker news because people here are basically distracting themselves from the constant barrage of American politics, but it’

This will probably not live long on hacker news because people here are basically distracting themselves from the constant barrage of American politics, but it’s pretty clear this regime doesn’t care about the first amendment.

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siva7 1y ago
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- dang 1y ago
  This submission was flagged by HN users. Moderators didn't touch it or even see it until a couple minutes ago. Not sure if this makes me more or less "complicit" (except insofar as such perceptions are monotonic, so can only become more, never less), but I have to agree with the flaggers here. OP is an opinion piece about a Major Ongoing Topic that is so major and so ongoing that the bar for Significant New Information is too high for most opinion pieces to clear. If that convoluted sentence doesn't make sense, it's probably because I'm using HN moderation jargon—but there are many explanations available: major ongoing topics: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&query=by%3Adang%20major%20ongoing%20topic&sort=byDate&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que... significant new information: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&sort=byDate&type=comment&query=%22significant%20new%20information%22%20by%3Adang https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&so... how we handle stories with political overlap: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&sort=byDate&type=comment&query=political%20overlap%20by:dang https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&so...
  - cherry_tree 1y ago
    >This submission was flagged by HN users. But don’t you control who is allowed to flag a post? Don’t you control who is allowed to vouch for a post? Don’t you review the flags that users add and remove them when a submission is inappropriately flagged?
    - dang 1y ago
      Anyone with karma > 30 can flag a post or vouch for a dead post. We try to review all the flagged submissions but there are too many for us to look closely at them all.
      - cherry_tree 1y ago
        Vouch privileges cannot be revoked by the moderation team? > We try to review all the flagged submissions but there are too many for us to look closely at them all. And surely there is no opportunity for bias there.
        dang 1y ago
        It's largely random, but yes of course there's opportunity for bias. We do our best to avoid it, but I don't imagine it's eliminable.
        OrderlyTiamat 1y ago
        > And surely there is no opportunity for bias there. Didn't writing this sentence feel like a good snap, as no one could possibly have a good come back at this? Maybe that means you set the bar impossibly high.
        cherry_tree 1y ago
        It would be easy to defuse my claim of bias by being open about which flagged posts the moderators do have time to look at, and which they don’t. Maybe the bar for moderation should be higher than it is right now. I guess I’m an asshole for wanting such a thing, I can live with that.
        OrderlyTiamat 1y ago
        No, that seems a fair request, I like that idea! But I can also see that it's not likely to be implemented. Though I'd see that transparency as a step forward, it's very likely to generate flamewars and even more discussion on the topic. If I was a mod I'd probably weigh the pros and cons of that to be negative overall.

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siva7 1y ago

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dang 1y ago
This submission was flagged by HN users. Moderators didn't touch it or even see it until a couple minutes ago. Not sure if this makes me more or less "complicit" (except insofar as such perceptions are monotonic, so can only become more, never less), but I have to agree with the flaggers here. OP is an opinion piece about a Major Ongoing Topic that is so major and so ongoing that the bar for Significant New Information is too high for most opinion pieces to clear. If that convoluted sentence doesn't make sense, it's probably because I'm using HN moderation jargon—but there are many explanations available: major ongoing topics: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&query=by%3Adang%20major%20ongoing%20topic&sort=byDate&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que... significant new information: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&sort=byDate&type=comment&query=%22significant%20new%20information%22%20by%3Adang https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&so... how we handle stories with political overlap: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&sort=byDate&type=comment&query=political%20overlap%20by:dang https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&so...
- cherry_tree 1y ago
  >This submission was flagged by HN users. But don’t you control who is allowed to flag a post? Don’t you control who is allowed to vouch for a post? Don’t you review the flags that users add and remove them when a submission is inappropriately flagged?
  - dang 1y ago
    Anyone with karma > 30 can flag a post or vouch for a dead post. We try to review all the flagged submissions but there are too many for us to look closely at them all.
    - cherry_tree 1y ago
      Vouch privileges cannot be revoked by the moderation team? > We try to review all the flagged submissions but there are too many for us to look closely at them all. And surely there is no opportunity for bias there.
      - dang 1y ago
        It's largely random, but yes of course there's opportunity for bias. We do our best to avoid it, but I don't imagine it's eliminable.
      - OrderlyTiamat 1y ago
        > And surely there is no opportunity for bias there. Didn't writing this sentence feel like a good snap, as no one could possibly have a good come back at this? Maybe that means you set the bar impossibly high.
        cherry_tree 1y ago
        It would be easy to defuse my claim of bias by being open about which flagged posts the moderators do have time to look at, and which they don’t. Maybe the bar for moderation should be higher than it is right now. I guess I’m an asshole for wanting such a thing, I can live with that.
        OrderlyTiamat 1y ago
        No, that seems a fair request, I like that idea! But I can also see that it's not likely to be implemented. Though I'd see that transparency as a step forward, it's very likely to generate flamewars and even more discussion on the topic. If I was a mod I'd probably weigh the pros and cons of that to be negative overall.