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Exactly this. And the main "equalizing" factor in Germany is taxes, round about 50% of Germany's labor share of GDP for average earners consists of taxes and so

Exactly this. And the main "equalizing" factor in Germany is taxes, round about 50% of Germany's labor share of GDP for average earners consists of taxes and social security contributions. Which is exactly what the Republican campaign has been all about - minimize taxes and cut spending wherever possible. Yes, you get a vastly more unequal and in many cases just flat out inhumane society. But if you can manage to be part of the "upper" class for a few years it pays so well that it becomes very appealing to a lot of people all over the world.

Mars008 1y ago
> But if you can manage to be part of the "upper" class for a few years it pays so well that it becomes very appealing to a lot of people all over the world. Unfortunately last several millions came for exactly the opposite. Free full government support, aka communism.
- twothreeone 1y ago
  They'd be much better off in Germany, Portugal, Denmark, France, or Sweden. Which incidentally all rely on immigrants to hold up their paygo retirement schemes, so it's mutually beneficial.
  - mlrtime 1y ago
    You are a bit late on that advice. Denmark’s Turn to Temporary Protection Has Made It a Pioneer in Restrictive Immigration Policies https://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/denmark-migration-profile-pioneer https://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/denmark-migration-pr...
- MiguelX413 1y ago
  Who? Illegal immigrants pay a lot in taxes and actually get less for the taxes they pay because they aren't eligible for welfare like fox news says they are.
forgotoldacc 1y ago
Yep. It's the same reason those tiny oil countries in the Arab Gulf are popular. You can work a few years to save big and go home. There's a underclass of slaves below you that keep the country running, but if you're not a slave yourself, it's easy to ignore that. America is similar. Ignore the homeless, the people who can't afford basic trips to the doctor, the illegal immigrant underclass, hope the crime problem never affects you, and focus on your own money, and it's fine.
- mlrtime 1y ago
  That is hardly the same, the people come to America to stay because it is a nice place to raise a family. UAE ... not so much.
  - tekne 1y ago
    I mean, I spent 7 years of my childhood in Dubai, and it was overall decent. Anecdata, et al.
    - mlrtime 1y ago
      late reply... I'm guessing you are not (and will never become) a citizen to your birth country. And your parents left because it was not a great place to raise you, you are probably in a better country now.
  - lesostep 1y ago
    >> a nice place to raise a family is it? No free childcare, no free medicine, no free urgent care and almost no third places for children. Add to that almost no food regulation. And, for immigrants, no support from their parents What's nice about that, getting into debt as soon as one of us gets medical emergency? Or staying in a suburban home 24/7 with a child until they can go to school?
    - mlrtime 1y ago
      Your first question is loaded and leading and not reflective of everyone. The second sounds great and is (IMO) the proper way to raise a family.

Mars008 1y ago

> But if you can manage to be part of the "upper" class for a few years it pays so well that it becomes very appealing to a lot of people all over the world. Unfortunately last several millions came for exactly the opposite. Free full government support, aka communism.

twothreeone 1y ago
They'd be much better off in Germany, Portugal, Denmark, France, or Sweden. Which incidentally all rely on immigrants to hold up their paygo retirement schemes, so it's mutually beneficial.
- mlrtime 1y ago
  You are a bit late on that advice. Denmark’s Turn to Temporary Protection Has Made It a Pioneer in Restrictive Immigration Policies https://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/denmark-migration-profile-pioneer https://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/denmark-migration-pr...
MiguelX413 1y ago
Who? Illegal immigrants pay a lot in taxes and actually get less for the taxes they pay because they aren't eligible for welfare like fox news says they are.

forgotoldacc 1y ago

Yep. It's the same reason those tiny oil countries in the Arab Gulf are popular. You can work a few years to save big and go home. There's a underclass of slaves below you that keep the country running, but if you're not a slave yourself, it's easy to ignore that. America is similar. Ignore the homeless, the people who can't afford basic trips to the doctor, the illegal immigrant underclass, hope the crime problem never affects you, and focus on your own money, and it's fine.

mlrtime 1y ago
That is hardly the same, the people come to America to stay because it is a nice place to raise a family. UAE ... not so much.
- tekne 1y ago
  I mean, I spent 7 years of my childhood in Dubai, and it was overall decent. Anecdata, et al.
  - mlrtime 1y ago
    late reply... I'm guessing you are not (and will never become) a citizen to your birth country. And your parents left because it was not a great place to raise you, you are probably in a better country now.
- lesostep 1y ago
  >> a nice place to raise a family is it? No free childcare, no free medicine, no free urgent care and almost no third places for children. Add to that almost no food regulation. And, for immigrants, no support from their parents What's nice about that, getting into debt as soon as one of us gets medical emergency? Or staying in a suburban home 24/7 with a child until they can go to school?
  - mlrtime 1y ago
    Your first question is loaded and leading and not reflective of everyone. The second sounds great and is (IMO) the proper way to raise a family.