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H1Bs are much less of a problem than the offshoring and outsourcing. I’d rather lure top talent to live in the US than ship jobs off to exploited contractors wh

H1Bs are much less of a problem than the offshoring and outsourcing. I’d rather lure top talent to live in the US than ship jobs off to exploited contractors who work for nothing.

aborsy 1y ago
Outsourcing is the main problem. Companies have learned that they can recruit 10X cheaper in other countries.
- thisisit 1y ago
  Consumerism and apathy is the main problem. People just wanted cheap goods while not caring how the sausage was made. People didn't care to understand the long term damage just that today's needs should be served. Then companies learned that they can/need recruit 10x cheaper in other countries to make it cheaper that is what they did. Now the apathy shoe is on the other foot. This government's action have ensured there cannot be any study to show impact of these rules in an impartial manner. Everything has to be for or against these rules. That means people don't care to understand the long term damage just that today's needs should be served.
PKop 1y ago
I'd rather have neither. I'd rather not import foreign labor to compete with Americans for housing, jobs, wages, healthcare, political power etc. This is a zero-sum game, the nation and its economy exists for the benefit of its citizens not to provide prosperity to people who don't live here.
- ajoseps 1y ago
  I think the assumption of it being a zero-sum game is wrong. Almost half of Fortune 500 companies were founded by immigrants or their children [0]. The source is still the American Immigration Council, but even just looking at a specific example can illustrate that it might not be a zero sum game. Jensen Huang, the co-founder and now CEO of NVIDIA, was an immigrant. NVIDIA is one of the most valuable companies today and has generated thousand of jobs and has helped create the AI revolution happening right now. You can argue that some other American born citizen would have created NVIDIA or found the same success, but that is difficult to prove. I fundamentally disagree that this is a zero sum game. Many immigrants add to the American experience and many become citizens themselves. The country loses out in ignoring foreign labor, especially if it’s foreigners who are taught in our schools and want to come and work here. [0] https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/report/fortune-500-companies-founded-by-immigrants-2025/ https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/report/fortune-50...

H1Bs are much less of a problem than the offshoring and outsourcing. I’d rather lure top talent to live in the US than ship jobs off to exploited contractors who work for nothing.

aborsy 1y ago

Outsourcing is the main problem. Companies have learned that they can recruit 10X cheaper in other countries.

thisisit 1y ago
Consumerism and apathy is the main problem. People just wanted cheap goods while not caring how the sausage was made. People didn't care to understand the long term damage just that today's needs should be served. Then companies learned that they can/need recruit 10x cheaper in other countries to make it cheaper that is what they did. Now the apathy shoe is on the other foot. This government's action have ensured there cannot be any study to show impact of these rules in an impartial manner. Everything has to be for or against these rules. That means people don't care to understand the long term damage just that today's needs should be served.

PKop 1y ago

I'd rather have neither. I'd rather not import foreign labor to compete with Americans for housing, jobs, wages, healthcare, political power etc. This is a zero-sum game, the nation and its economy exists for the benefit of its citizens not to provide prosperity to people who don't live here.

ajoseps 1y ago
I think the assumption of it being a zero-sum game is wrong. Almost half of Fortune 500 companies were founded by immigrants or their children [0]. The source is still the American Immigration Council, but even just looking at a specific example can illustrate that it might not be a zero sum game. Jensen Huang, the co-founder and now CEO of NVIDIA, was an immigrant. NVIDIA is one of the most valuable companies today and has generated thousand of jobs and has helped create the AI revolution happening right now. You can argue that some other American born citizen would have created NVIDIA or found the same success, but that is difficult to prove. I fundamentally disagree that this is a zero sum game. Many immigrants add to the American experience and many become citizens themselves. The country loses out in ignoring foreign labor, especially if it’s foreigners who are taught in our schools and want to come and work here. [0] https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/report/fortune-500-companies-founded-by-immigrants-2025/ https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/report/fortune-50...