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He did not say that the kid was MAGA, or at least not exactly. Here’s all he said about it: > We hit some new lows over the weekend, with the MAGA gang despera

He did not say that the kid was MAGA, or at least not exactly. Here’s all he said about it: > We hit some new lows over the weekend, with the MAGA gang desperately trying to characterize this kid who murdered Charlie Kirk as anything other than one of them and doing everything they can to score political points from it. > In between the finger pointing there was grieving. On Friday, the White House flew the flags at half-staff, which got some criticism, but on a human level you can see how hard the President is taking this. He then played a clip where a reporter asked Trump how he was doing. Trump said good and immediately started talking about his new ballroom. What about any of that is misinformation? Given how they were certain the shooter was trans because he used arrows on the bullet - which were helldiver 2 codes - it did seem like people were trying to make it seem like the kid wasn’t MAGA. Turns out the kid is neither, or both, and was just terminally online, which none of us want to admit is the real problem because we’re all also terminally online.

stazz1 1y ago
It was a political assassination done by someone who vehemently disagreed with certain viewpoints. The details about the shooter clearly indicate which end of the political spectrum he was on. Kimmel's comments were grossly inaccurate and wildly irresponsible.
- dralley 1y ago
  Which is known now, but was absolutely not known at the time. There was so, so much complete BS being spread during those 24-48 hours.
  - happyopossum 1y ago
    This happened Monday - not last Friday. All of this was known.
- margalabargala 1y ago
  > The details about the shooter clearly indicate which end of the political spectrum he was on. The only thing clear about the shooter's political positions, is that it'll be presented as whatever will be most convenient to the speaker. He held views that individually map across the spectrum, allowing anyone to point to something and assign him at an arbitrary location.
- brendoelfrendo 1y ago
  > The details about the shooter clearly indicate which end of the political spectrum he was on. I'm sorry, which details? Why does his opinion about a handful of topics mean that we can infer his entire worldview? Why do we have to assume that his views mapped neatly onto one end of the US political spectrum or the other?
  - superultra 1y ago
    I think the problem no one on either side wants to admit is that these shooters rarely fall into either side. They’re mentally unstable people who are attracted to fringe crazy ideas, regardless of the political stripes. Their behavior indicts all of us Americans. But of course admitting that and doing something about it means working together, which is a much harder solution than pointing fingers at the other side and doing little else.
- mcphage 1y ago
  > Kimmel's comments were grossly inaccurate and wildly irresponsible. Kimmel’s comments are about the behavior of the MAGA world, and they were true: the MAGA world was trying very hard to push the idea that the shooter was not one of them.
al_borland 1y ago
> with the MAGA gang desperately trying to characterize this kid who murdered Charlie Kirk as anything other than one of them Anyone hearing this would take away that Tyler was maga, would they not? It heavily implies that he is maga, and that’s why the maga gang is trying to deflect. A lot of conclusions were jumped to early on by everyone. Things are more clear now, but still not 100%. From what I’ve seen so far he was a Trump supporter in his early teens, but did a full 180 in recent years, due to the influence on the internet, as you mentioned, and who knows what else. If the ultimate joke was to laugh at Trump talking about his ballroom, I don’t see what his maga comments added to that. He stepped into a hornets nest and added nothing to the joke in the process.
- pseudalopex 1y ago
  > Anyone hearing this would take away that Tyler was maga, would they not? No. > It heavily implies that he is maga No.
  - apparent 1y ago
    Why would someone have to "desperately try to characterize" someone as something that they clearly are? To me, that language is clearly indicating that it is somehow difficult to do. At that time, it was fairly apparent that he was not MAGA, at least not in any remotely common sense of the word.
    - defrost 1y ago
      > At that time, it was fairly apparent that he was not MAGA The criticism of the "MAGA gang" was _not_ about their actions at the time of the Kimmel broadcast, it was very much about their immediate behavior as soon as the shooting hit the news .. the time when nothing was known, the time when the FBI head was making statements about suspects that were untrue, the time when the US head of state was declaring war on the left .. you know, the time when nothing was known about the political allegiance of the shooter .. or the lack thereof. I'm an outside observer, from here it's clear that the US has fallen deep into an Us v Them K-hole and that the current administration is all too happy to turn up the heat on the divisions that render the nation asunder .. the chaos makes the heist all the easier.

stazz1 1y ago

It was a political assassination done by someone who vehemently disagreed with certain viewpoints. The details about the shooter clearly indicate which end of the political spectrum he was on. Kimmel's comments were grossly inaccurate and wildly irresponsible.

dralley 1y ago
Which is known now, but was absolutely not known at the time. There was so, so much complete BS being spread during those 24-48 hours.
- happyopossum 1y ago
  This happened Monday - not last Friday. All of this was known.
margalabargala 1y ago
> The details about the shooter clearly indicate which end of the political spectrum he was on. The only thing clear about the shooter's political positions, is that it'll be presented as whatever will be most convenient to the speaker. He held views that individually map across the spectrum, allowing anyone to point to something and assign him at an arbitrary location.
brendoelfrendo 1y ago
> The details about the shooter clearly indicate which end of the political spectrum he was on. I'm sorry, which details? Why does his opinion about a handful of topics mean that we can infer his entire worldview? Why do we have to assume that his views mapped neatly onto one end of the US political spectrum or the other?
- superultra 1y ago
  I think the problem no one on either side wants to admit is that these shooters rarely fall into either side. They’re mentally unstable people who are attracted to fringe crazy ideas, regardless of the political stripes. Their behavior indicts all of us Americans. But of course admitting that and doing something about it means working together, which is a much harder solution than pointing fingers at the other side and doing little else.
mcphage 1y ago
> Kimmel's comments were grossly inaccurate and wildly irresponsible. Kimmel’s comments are about the behavior of the MAGA world, and they were true: the MAGA world was trying very hard to push the idea that the shooter was not one of them.

al_borland 1y ago

> with the MAGA gang desperately trying to characterize this kid who murdered Charlie Kirk as anything other than one of them Anyone hearing this would take away that Tyler was maga, would they not? It heavily implies that he is maga, and that’s why the maga gang is trying to deflect. A lot of conclusions were jumped to early on by everyone. Things are more clear now, but still not 100%. From what I’ve seen so far he was a Trump supporter in his early teens, but did a full 180 in recent years, due to the influence on the internet, as you mentioned, and who knows what else. If the ultimate joke was to laugh at Trump talking about his ballroom, I don’t see what his maga comments added to that. He stepped into a hornets nest and added nothing to the joke in the process.

pseudalopex 1y ago
> Anyone hearing this would take away that Tyler was maga, would they not? No. > It heavily implies that he is maga No.
- apparent 1y ago
  Why would someone have to "desperately try to characterize" someone as something that they clearly are? To me, that language is clearly indicating that it is somehow difficult to do. At that time, it was fairly apparent that he was not MAGA, at least not in any remotely common sense of the word.
  - defrost 1y ago
    > At that time, it was fairly apparent that he was not MAGA The criticism of the "MAGA gang" was _not_ about their actions at the time of the Kimmel broadcast, it was very much about their immediate behavior as soon as the shooting hit the news .. the time when nothing was known, the time when the FBI head was making statements about suspects that were untrue, the time when the US head of state was declaring war on the left .. you know, the time when nothing was known about the political allegiance of the shooter .. or the lack thereof. I'm an outside observer, from here it's clear that the US has fallen deep into an Us v Them K-hole and that the current administration is all too happy to turn up the heat on the divisions that render the nation asunder .. the chaos makes the heist all the easier.