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We need to return to a world where we primarily own things, not rent them. If the software executable can be thought of as a machine, we should be able to own t
by hliyan 1y ago
We need to return to a world where we primarily own things, not rent them. If the software executable can be thought of as a machine, we should be able to own the version/instance of it we purchased the license for. We may not own the intellectual property, but we should have enough ownership to install it on a personal cloud computer we own and run it until such time we need to upgrade it.
- kristianc 1y agoBuy Campfire instead? https://once.com/campfire https://once.com/campfire
- piskov 1y agoIt’s free and under MIT (though no too long ago this wasn’t the case)
- kristianc 1y agoYeah, I see you're right. I had in my head it was around a $200 fee?
- tossit444 1y ago299USD. It became free merely two weeks ago. https://nitter.net/dhh/status/1963675999012552970 https://nitter.net/dhh/status/1963675999012552970
- powvans 1y agoYou aren’t wrong. Up until a couple of weeks ago it was $299. Once. Forever. That was the whole idea. Very cool that they open sourced it. MIT license too. https://x.com/dhh/status/1963675999012552970 https://x.com/dhh/status/1963675999012552970 https://github.com/basecamp/once-campfire https://github.com/basecamp/once-campfire
- shomp 1y agoCampfire needs 64GB RAM for 10,000 users, that surprises me, I would think we could get to 10k users with far less RAM.
- nbngeorcjhe 1y agowell it is rails
- sealeck 1y agohttps://zulip.com/ https://zulip.com/ is a pretty excellent chat program that can be self-hosted
- hliyan 1y agoZulip self-hosted is billed monthly. Still a form of rent. You don't own the version you bought perpetually.
- jkaplowitz 1y agoAccording to https://zulip.com/plans/#self-hosted https://zulip.com/plans/#self-hosted, the only things you get by upgrading from free self-hosted (which is absolutely offered) to paid self-hosted is to remove the limits on mobile notifications, which is a service that Zulip as an organization has to run and which therefore has an inherent cost, plus access to various forms of customer support. Explicitly mentioned is that all Zulip features are included in the free plan. The self-hosted offering is notably described as 100% open source software in the tab heading above all the plans, paid or free. https://zulip.com/help/zulip-cloud-or-self-hosting https://zulip.com/help/zulip-cloud-or-self-hosting confirms this interpretation. It’s as owned as any other open source software. https://zulip.com/self-hosting/ https://zulip.com/self-hosting/ even confirms that the self-hosted offering is the same software as Zulip Cloud. The mobile push notification service is also open source and can be self-hosted for free, although this requires recompiling the mobile apps with a different secret and distributing the modified apps to the desired mobile clients. Zulip has no way around this due to Google and Apple’s push notification security models.
- notpushkin 1y agoCan they use https://unifiedpush.org/ https://unifiedpush.org/ on Android (as an option, not insread of FCM)?
- jkaplowitz 1y agoYou could certainly propose it to them (especially with a PR that includes code), or patch it into your local copy if they decline. I wouldn’t be surprised if Google wouldn’t allow that in the Play Store-compiled version of the app, but I don’t know.
- jagged-chisel 1y ago> … personal cloud computer we own I can only read this as an oxymoron