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you know what's really stupid? when we give someone a student visa and then don't have a easy to keep them in the country on a work visa

fastball 1y ago
Indeed, though if you make that route too easy (or with limited oversight), you end up with diploma mills that aren't actually educating anyone. Incentives are hard to align well.
- marticode 1y ago
  It wouldn't be hard to select and accredit at least the better universities. Giving an automatic work visa to every foreign Ivy graduate should be a no-brainier. You could take the top 30% or 50% ranked US News universities and accredit those, or some similar heuristics.
- ahmeneeroe-v2 1y ago
  Great point, and since the post-graduation right to work is already a thing I believe this has already happened
mc32 1y ago
Is that a thing in most countries? Like if I go to university in Brazil I can easily get a job as a foreigner there?
- adgjlsfhk1 1y ago
  Brazil isn't a great example here since it is a Portuguese speaking country leading to relatively low immegration, but for Germany, for example a work visa takes 1-3 months to process, and unlike h1b there is no quota.
ahmeneeroe-v2 1y ago
Student visas in the US come with the right to work for some time after graduation. If the foreign student isn’t valuable enough to stay after a degree and multiple years of work I think it’s fine to send them home. But me personally, I advocate many fewer student visas.
- nikkwong 1y ago
  What world are you living in? Many Chinese come in on student visas, get jobs at FAANG and then have to move back to their country after losing the H1-B. These are the people we want, doing the jobs that we want them to do, and we’re too nearsighted to figure out how to keep them. Again, these are the most talented, most affluent minds that China has to offer. Sure, let’s have them work for the CCP rather than keeping them in the west.
  - ahmeneeroe-v2 1y ago
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    - vkou 1y ago
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      - ahmeneeroe-v2 1y ago
        Use game theory for #3: -You're a Chinese national in the US on a work visa or student visa -CCP asks you to do something What do you do?
        vkou 1y ago
        Let's use game theory for #3. - You're an American running a business in the US (or somewhere else). - Trump (or some TLA) demands that you do something, holding a threat over you. What do you do? Are all Americans actually pawns of MAGA, or the spook agencies? How should the world respond to this implication?
        ahmeneeroe-v2 1y ago
        This seems accurate, yes. Do you actually not think this is true?
    - nikkwong 1y ago
pandaman 1y ago
How so? Anybody who has a student visa had to prove that she or he has strong ties to the home country and no intent to remain in the Untied States, and that she or he only needs to get education in the US to come back and apply it for the home country's benefit. If these people have not defrauded the US then they would not know what to do with a work visa as they'd be hurrying back home as soon as they received their diploma, pulled by those strong ties and the desire to finally put the education to use at home.

fastball 1y ago

Indeed, though if you make that route too easy (or with limited oversight), you end up with diploma mills that aren't actually educating anyone. Incentives are hard to align well.

marticode 1y ago
It wouldn't be hard to select and accredit at least the better universities. Giving an automatic work visa to every foreign Ivy graduate should be a no-brainier. You could take the top 30% or 50% ranked US News universities and accredit those, or some similar heuristics.
ahmeneeroe-v2 1y ago
Great point, and since the post-graduation right to work is already a thing I believe this has already happened

mc32 1y ago

Is that a thing in most countries? Like if I go to university in Brazil I can easily get a job as a foreigner there?

adgjlsfhk1 1y ago
Brazil isn't a great example here since it is a Portuguese speaking country leading to relatively low immegration, but for Germany, for example a work visa takes 1-3 months to process, and unlike h1b there is no quota.

ahmeneeroe-v2 1y ago

Student visas in the US come with the right to work for some time after graduation. If the foreign student isn’t valuable enough to stay after a degree and multiple years of work I think it’s fine to send them home. But me personally, I advocate many fewer student visas.

nikkwong 1y ago
What world are you living in? Many Chinese come in on student visas, get jobs at FAANG and then have to move back to their country after losing the H1-B. These are the people we want, doing the jobs that we want them to do, and we’re too nearsighted to figure out how to keep them. Again, these are the most talented, most affluent minds that China has to offer. Sure, let’s have them work for the CCP rather than keeping them in the west.
- ahmeneeroe-v2 1y ago
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  - vkou 1y ago
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    - ahmeneeroe-v2 1y ago
      Use game theory for #3: -You're a Chinese national in the US on a work visa or student visa -CCP asks you to do something What do you do?
      - vkou 1y ago
        Let's use game theory for #3. - You're an American running a business in the US (or somewhere else). - Trump (or some TLA) demands that you do something, holding a threat over you. What do you do? Are all Americans actually pawns of MAGA, or the spook agencies? How should the world respond to this implication?
        ahmeneeroe-v2 1y ago
        This seems accurate, yes. Do you actually not think this is true?
  - nikkwong 1y ago

pandaman 1y ago

How so? Anybody who has a student visa had to prove that she or he has strong ties to the home country and no intent to remain in the Untied States, and that she or he only needs to get education in the US to come back and apply it for the home country's benefit. If these people have not defrauded the US then they would not know what to do with a work visa as they'd be hurrying back home as soon as they received their diploma, pulled by those strong ties and the desire to finally put the education to use at home.