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> How many people on here can truly say that they were considering between two different countries. That doesn’t happen at scale. /me I started in Slovenia, c

by Swizec 1y ago

> How many people on here can truly say that they were considering between two different countries. That doesn’t happen at scale. /me I started in Slovenia, considered London, actually got an offer in Canada, but ultimately chose San Francisco. Figured that if I’m going to the trouble of moving abroad, I might as well go to the center of the industry. Got lots of friends who chose various EU companies based on desired lifestyle/work/partner balance. You have lots of options as a good engineer. Especially before the last 3 years of market shenanigans.

ahmeneeroe-v2 1y ago
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- Swizec 1y ago
  > Idk, it sounds like you and your talented friends worked hard to get into Western Europe/US/Canada Yes. Up and left -> You’re an immigrant Down and right -> You’re an expat
- freetime2 1y ago
  They had a choice. Whether intentional or not, London, Canada, and the US were competing based on which country could offer the best lifestyle. If the US becomes hostile to immigrants, then people with a choice (who are typically the most talented candidates) may choose to live elsewhere.
  - ahmeneeroe-v2 1y ago
    Those countries were not competing for high skilled immigrants. They built themselves into places that high skill immigrants seek, but that is more of a side effect than a competition. The leaders/parties supporting immigration in those countries are ambivalent to receiving high skill immigrants or refugees.
    - freetime2 1y ago
      > Those countries were not keeping for high skilled immigrants. The US, UK, and Canada all have special provisions in their immigration programs aimed at attracting and prioritizing highly-skilled workers. Both the UK [1] and Canada [2] both use a points-based ranking system that prioritizes highly-skilled immigrants. The UK system is clear in its goals: > introduce an Immigration Bill to bring in a firm and fair points-based system that will attract the high-skilled workers we need to contribute to our economy, our communities and our public services. And while the US H1-B program is lottery-based, 20,000 slots are reserved for people who hold a master's degree from a U.S. institution. Proposals have also been made recently to change to a points-based system. [3] > They built themselves into places that high skill immigrants seek, but that is more of a side effect than a competition Wherever there is choice, there is competition. 55% of billion dollar startups in the US have immigrant founders, employing an average of 1,200 employees each [4]. If these people don't come to the US and start companies, the US will feel the effects - even if they were just "side effects". [1] https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/the-uks-points-based-immigration-system-policy-statement/the-uks-points-based-immigration-system-policy-statement https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/the-uks-points-ba... [2] https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/services/immigrate-canada/express-entry/check-score/crs-criteria.html https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/se... [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAISE_Act https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAISE_Act [4] https://www.fosterglobal.com/blog/55-of-americas-billion-dollar-startups-have-an-immigrant-founder/ https://www.fosterglobal.com/blog/55-of-americas-billion-dol...
      - ahmeneeroe-v2 1y ago
        A country picking high-quality immigrants ≠ a country competing for immigrants. The opposite, in fact. This choosiness is actually a sign that immigrants are competing to enter those countries. The points based system is (in theory) a way to identify the ones we want. That said, illegals and “refugees” outnumber H1Bs, further reinforcing that Western countries don’t care about global talent.
        freetime2 1y ago
- ttsemih 1y ago
  Last year I had no job offer, this year recently I got offers from Headspace, Langchain, Coderabbit etc. It really depends on time too. Sometimes companies compete for you sometimes you compete for them
- vishnugupta 1y ago
  Exactly. The tech pay disparity between US (and particularly in California) and everywhere else is so large that it’s not even close to being comparable. I relocated to Amsterdam from India. When I got to know about the salaries my peers were making in the same company but in the US I felt like a fool. Being a manager I had access to compensation data so yeah it was hard to not feel being done by.

by Swizec 1y ago

ahmeneeroe-v2 1y ago

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Swizec 1y ago
> Idk, it sounds like you and your talented friends worked hard to get into Western Europe/US/Canada Yes. Up and left -> You’re an immigrant Down and right -> You’re an expat
freetime2 1y ago
They had a choice. Whether intentional or not, London, Canada, and the US were competing based on which country could offer the best lifestyle. If the US becomes hostile to immigrants, then people with a choice (who are typically the most talented candidates) may choose to live elsewhere.
- ahmeneeroe-v2 1y ago
  Those countries were not competing for high skilled immigrants. They built themselves into places that high skill immigrants seek, but that is more of a side effect than a competition. The leaders/parties supporting immigration in those countries are ambivalent to receiving high skill immigrants or refugees.
  - freetime2 1y ago
    > Those countries were not keeping for high skilled immigrants. The US, UK, and Canada all have special provisions in their immigration programs aimed at attracting and prioritizing highly-skilled workers. Both the UK [1] and Canada [2] both use a points-based ranking system that prioritizes highly-skilled immigrants. The UK system is clear in its goals: > introduce an Immigration Bill to bring in a firm and fair points-based system that will attract the high-skilled workers we need to contribute to our economy, our communities and our public services. And while the US H1-B program is lottery-based, 20,000 slots are reserved for people who hold a master's degree from a U.S. institution. Proposals have also been made recently to change to a points-based system. [3] > They built themselves into places that high skill immigrants seek, but that is more of a side effect than a competition Wherever there is choice, there is competition. 55% of billion dollar startups in the US have immigrant founders, employing an average of 1,200 employees each [4]. If these people don't come to the US and start companies, the US will feel the effects - even if they were just "side effects". [1] https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/the-uks-points-based-immigration-system-policy-statement/the-uks-points-based-immigration-system-policy-statement https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/the-uks-points-ba... [2] https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/services/immigrate-canada/express-entry/check-score/crs-criteria.html https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/se... [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAISE_Act https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAISE_Act [4] https://www.fosterglobal.com/blog/55-of-americas-billion-dollar-startups-have-an-immigrant-founder/ https://www.fosterglobal.com/blog/55-of-americas-billion-dol...
    - ahmeneeroe-v2 1y ago
      A country picking high-quality immigrants ≠ a country competing for immigrants. The opposite, in fact. This choosiness is actually a sign that immigrants are competing to enter those countries. The points based system is (in theory) a way to identify the ones we want. That said, illegals and “refugees” outnumber H1Bs, further reinforcing that Western countries don’t care about global talent.
      - freetime2 1y ago
ttsemih 1y ago
Last year I had no job offer, this year recently I got offers from Headspace, Langchain, Coderabbit etc. It really depends on time too. Sometimes companies compete for you sometimes you compete for them
vishnugupta 1y ago
Exactly. The tech pay disparity between US (and particularly in California) and everywhere else is so large that it’s not even close to being comparable. I relocated to Amsterdam from India. When I got to know about the salaries my peers were making in the same company but in the US I felt like a fool. Being a manager I had access to compensation data so yeah it was hard to not feel being done by.