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The only way to do that (and preserve H1B) is to entirely disconnect the subcontinent from the application process. Their top companies exist only to scam immig

The only way to do that (and preserve H1B) is to entirely disconnect the subcontinent from the application process. Their top companies exist only to scam immigration programs around the world, it is their raison d'être.

decremental 1y ago
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So both people and companies from those countries?
- djohnston 1y ago
  Yep.
  - truncate 1y ago
    >> The only way to do that (and preserve H1B) is to entirely disconnect the subcontinent from the application process. In that case, better to rephrase to "US should close borders for Indians (and China?) workers and companies". Why sugercoat it?
    - djohnston 1y ago
      I didn’t include China. I also don’t think there’s any reason to close the borders to Indians. Rather, simply close off access to their Frankenstein cottage industry of scammers.
      - truncate 1y ago
        I agree that H1B abuse should be fixed. Its also bad for other H1Bs which have the skill and didn't abuse the system (which many of them are). Maybe this 100k thing will fix it and maybe this wont. My main complain with this administration is always the chaos and impulsiveness which doesn't bring much confidence that they are actually capable of actually fixing the problem, as it always doesn't seem well thought through or executed. More like headlines to get some cheering from MAGA crowd.
        famerica 1y ago
        > My main complain with this administration is always the chaos and impulsiveness which doesn't bring much confidence that they are actually capable of actually fixing the problem, as it always doesn't seem well thought through or executed. More like headlines to get some cheering from MAGA crowd. I think it could also be that they don't want to fix any problems, but they do want the chaos and media attention that provides catharsis to the voting base.
bhouston 1y ago
I have met very talented people from the subcontinent. I think the issue is the H1B structure is open to fraud.
- djohnston 1y ago
  Yeah exactly. And they embrace that fraud and turn it into a cornerstone of their economy. I too have worked with extremely talented people from the subcontinent and not one was on an H1B. The H1Bs I worked with were less competent than an undergraduate intern. Thankfully I only had to do that once during an on-prem install in Tyson’s Corner.
  - ojbyrne 1y ago
    I’m curious what visa the “extremely talented people from the subcontinent” were on. If they have a green card or are naturalized citizens, there are very few paths to those statuses that doesn’t involve an H1B.
  - throwaway7783 1y ago
    I'm against these top sweatshops, but is the answer to that is ban the entire subcontinent? Also, I don't know how many h1bs have you worked with. I have worked with many (hundreds), and it's the same spectrum of talent you'd find anywhere. This is probably not the intent of h1b, but banning a set of countries is not the solution. Changing the criteria is.
    - djohnston 1y ago
      The fact that it’s the same spectrum of talent (in your experience) is a glaring indicator that the system has been systematically abused by Indian WITCH to the point it’s no longer fit for purpose. Unfortunately systems constructed in high trust societies (1950s USA) must adapt with the arrival of low trust societies. Much like the European refugee conventions established in the echoes of WW2 and now gleefully exploited by these same low trust societies.
      - 1y ago
liquid_thyme 1y ago
Thats complete bullshit. Nobody can "steal" a job. Americans are lining up to give them jobs.
- djohnston 1y ago
  Why are you using quotes around steal as though I used that word somewhere? Read what I wrote, repeat it to yourself when you fall asleep, come back tomorrow.
  - liquid_thyme 1y ago
    Okay, you said scam, not steal. You didn't write much of anything except throw wild accusations.
    - djohnston 1y ago
      Yes, scam. Scam. India. Scam. India. You’ve never heard of these two together? Google is your friend. Diploma mills, good old fashioned racial discrimination, hiding job listings in obscure outlets to avoid domestic applicants, man they are truly talented in this endeavour. Maybe if they put so much muscle into improving the home country everyone would be better off.
      - liquid_thyme 1y ago
        So your employer's interview process isn't able to differentiate between a fake degree holding scammer and you? I'd focus on that first...
        djohnston 1y ago
        That’s a cute ad-hominem but ultimately off base because that’s not how the diploma mills scam works. I really encourage you to research those topics a bit - it is genuinely fascinating how complex the scams get. There’s also a bit of self-reflection that arises when you learn that these people don’t understand why scamming and cheating is wrong - they’re genuinely incapable of comprehending this. It makes you appreciate people who aren’t like that, including yourself! (hopefully)

decremental 1y ago

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So both people and companies from those countries?

djohnston 1y ago
Yep.
- truncate 1y ago
  >> The only way to do that (and preserve H1B) is to entirely disconnect the subcontinent from the application process. In that case, better to rephrase to "US should close borders for Indians (and China?) workers and companies". Why sugercoat it?
  - djohnston 1y ago
    I didn’t include China. I also don’t think there’s any reason to close the borders to Indians. Rather, simply close off access to their Frankenstein cottage industry of scammers.
    - truncate 1y ago
      I agree that H1B abuse should be fixed. Its also bad for other H1Bs which have the skill and didn't abuse the system (which many of them are). Maybe this 100k thing will fix it and maybe this wont. My main complain with this administration is always the chaos and impulsiveness which doesn't bring much confidence that they are actually capable of actually fixing the problem, as it always doesn't seem well thought through or executed. More like headlines to get some cheering from MAGA crowd.
      - famerica 1y ago
        > My main complain with this administration is always the chaos and impulsiveness which doesn't bring much confidence that they are actually capable of actually fixing the problem, as it always doesn't seem well thought through or executed. More like headlines to get some cheering from MAGA crowd. I think it could also be that they don't want to fix any problems, but they do want the chaos and media attention that provides catharsis to the voting base.

bhouston 1y ago

I have met very talented people from the subcontinent. I think the issue is the H1B structure is open to fraud.

djohnston 1y ago
Yeah exactly. And they embrace that fraud and turn it into a cornerstone of their economy. I too have worked with extremely talented people from the subcontinent and not one was on an H1B. The H1Bs I worked with were less competent than an undergraduate intern. Thankfully I only had to do that once during an on-prem install in Tyson’s Corner.
- ojbyrne 1y ago
  I’m curious what visa the “extremely talented people from the subcontinent” were on. If they have a green card or are naturalized citizens, there are very few paths to those statuses that doesn’t involve an H1B.
- throwaway7783 1y ago
  I'm against these top sweatshops, but is the answer to that is ban the entire subcontinent? Also, I don't know how many h1bs have you worked with. I have worked with many (hundreds), and it's the same spectrum of talent you'd find anywhere. This is probably not the intent of h1b, but banning a set of countries is not the solution. Changing the criteria is.
  - djohnston 1y ago
    The fact that it’s the same spectrum of talent (in your experience) is a glaring indicator that the system has been systematically abused by Indian WITCH to the point it’s no longer fit for purpose. Unfortunately systems constructed in high trust societies (1950s USA) must adapt with the arrival of low trust societies. Much like the European refugee conventions established in the echoes of WW2 and now gleefully exploited by these same low trust societies.
    - 1y ago

liquid_thyme 1y ago

Thats complete bullshit. Nobody can "steal" a job. Americans are lining up to give them jobs.

djohnston 1y ago
Why are you using quotes around steal as though I used that word somewhere? Read what I wrote, repeat it to yourself when you fall asleep, come back tomorrow.
- liquid_thyme 1y ago
  Okay, you said scam, not steal. You didn't write much of anything except throw wild accusations.
  - djohnston 1y ago
    Yes, scam. Scam. India. Scam. India. You’ve never heard of these two together? Google is your friend. Diploma mills, good old fashioned racial discrimination, hiding job listings in obscure outlets to avoid domestic applicants, man they are truly talented in this endeavour. Maybe if they put so much muscle into improving the home country everyone would be better off.
    - liquid_thyme 1y ago
      So your employer's interview process isn't able to differentiate between a fake degree holding scammer and you? I'd focus on that first...
      - djohnston 1y ago
        That’s a cute ad-hominem but ultimately off base because that’s not how the diploma mills scam works. I really encourage you to research those topics a bit - it is genuinely fascinating how complex the scams get. There’s also a bit of self-reflection that arises when you learn that these people don’t understand why scamming and cheating is wrong - they’re genuinely incapable of comprehending this. It makes you appreciate people who aren’t like that, including yourself! (hopefully)