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If you barely consider yourself middle-class with an income 50% over the median then you are probably at least living in a "high income" region :P And your sel

If you barely consider yourself middle-class with an income 50% over the median then you are probably at least living in a "high income" region :P And your self-classification is questionable, but that is very common. Maybe a good trigger to experience gratefulness and satisfaction for the economical situation you are in?

A4ET8a8uTh0_v2 1y ago
I think you misunderstand me greatly and, more importantly, greatly misunderstand the zeitgeist. I am unbelievably thankful for being paid for what I am doing the amount I am paid. But, and this is the most important part, just because I am in better situation than most, does not make the overall state of the population that much less shitty. Am I getting through to you?
- jopsen 1y ago
  > does not make the overall state of the population that much less shitty. Has it ever been better? Not saying it shouldn't, just that we might have unrealistic expectations.
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  - reverius42 1y ago
    Housing affordability was better from 2009-2021 than now. https://www.atlantafed.org/research/data-and-tools/home-ownership-affordability-monitor https://www.atlantafed.org/research/data-and-tools/home-owne... Total national health expenditures have grown much faster than population growth: https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/chart-collection/u-s-spending-healthcare-changed-time/ https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/chart-collection/u-s-spe... And yet, over the same time period, life expectancy hasn't gone up that much: https://datacommons.org/tools/visualization#visType%3Dtimeline%26place%3Dcountry%2FUSA%26sv%3D%7B%22dcid%22%3A%22LifeExpectancy_Person%22%7D https://datacommons.org/tools/visualization#visType%3Dtimeli...
  - A4ET8a8uTh0_v2 1y ago
    << we might have unrealistic expectations. I deleted longer response from yesterday. Long story short, I disagree. If anything, it is unrealistic for anyone to expect that current economic ecosystem is sustainable. I don't expect a lot, but I do expect my standard to improve over that of my parents', not decrease.
harimau777 1y ago
IMHO The ability to choose to live in a high income region (or more specifically a cosmopolitan city) is one of the core characteristics of what it means to be middle class. Partially, that's because increased self determination is part of being middle class. Partionally, that's because the ability to participate in culture (art, music, education, multiculturalism, etc.) is part of being middle class; and those opportunities are highly concentrated in the cities.

A4ET8a8uTh0_v2 1y ago

I think you misunderstand me greatly and, more importantly, greatly misunderstand the zeitgeist. I am unbelievably thankful for being paid for what I am doing the amount I am paid. But, and this is the most important part, just because I am in better situation than most, does not make the overall state of the population that much less shitty. Am I getting through to you?

jopsen 1y ago
> does not make the overall state of the population that much less shitty. Has it ever been better? Not saying it shouldn't, just that we might have unrealistic expectations.
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- reverius42 1y ago
  Housing affordability was better from 2009-2021 than now. https://www.atlantafed.org/research/data-and-tools/home-ownership-affordability-monitor https://www.atlantafed.org/research/data-and-tools/home-owne... Total national health expenditures have grown much faster than population growth: https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/chart-collection/u-s-spending-healthcare-changed-time/ https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/chart-collection/u-s-spe... And yet, over the same time period, life expectancy hasn't gone up that much: https://datacommons.org/tools/visualization#visType%3Dtimeline%26place%3Dcountry%2FUSA%26sv%3D%7B%22dcid%22%3A%22LifeExpectancy_Person%22%7D https://datacommons.org/tools/visualization#visType%3Dtimeli...
- A4ET8a8uTh0_v2 1y ago
  << we might have unrealistic expectations. I deleted longer response from yesterday. Long story short, I disagree. If anything, it is unrealistic for anyone to expect that current economic ecosystem is sustainable. I don't expect a lot, but I do expect my standard to improve over that of my parents', not decrease.

harimau777 1y ago

IMHO The ability to choose to live in a high income region (or more specifically a cosmopolitan city) is one of the core characteristics of what it means to be middle class. Partially, that's because increased self determination is part of being middle class. Partionally, that's because the ability to participate in culture (art, music, education, multiculturalism, etc.) is part of being middle class; and those opportunities are highly concentrated in the cities.