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Of the scandinavian countries, only Norway has money, Dragsted is danish.

by pploug 1y ago

hagbard_c 1y ago
You forgot the word 'oil' between 'has' and 'money'.
spwa4 1y ago
Looking things up: 1) Norway oil + mining, which finance a large service sector that "is the bulk of the economy" (except not really: it would be 90% smaller without the resources) 2) Sweden mining + chemicals, which finance a large service sector around that 3) Finland mining + forestry, a large chemicals sector, which finance a large service sector around them like in Norway They all do large scale resource extraction, which then supports the economy on top of them. They all have oil money. Frankly the closest country to them that doesn't have a large resource base is Belgium, and they only have a service sector because they used to have a large resource extraction base recently that is dying (still not quite dead). Now they're ... well, pretty much their business is becoming government (they have a lot of huge governments and large international organisations on their territory. EU, NATO, SWIFT, Benelux, at least 10 Belgian govenerments, ...) This is what people don't seem to realize. This is how it works. The question, of course, is how to make it work without resources. Even the Ottoman arabs were doing fine in economy until the west conquered them and decided Jesus demands we force them to stop the resource they were exploiting on a large scale (black slaves, not that they didn't exploit European, Indian or even Chinese slaves, but in much smaller numbers)
- gsf_emergency_2 1y ago
  As you mention, one can also make it not work even with resources, as in some places outside Europe. (Ottomans were Turks & would get upside that you put them on the same footing as Arabs, Turkiye has a diversified econ today, was never properly invaded etc) It's not really about services, is my understanding.. Music, Merchandise and the third M I can't recall.(Not movies, they are too uh context-dependent-- not precisely centralized because Hollywood processes are far from that) Since financial or even governancial services can be thought of as extractive, what a country needs are cross-class meaning-agnostic exports that foreclose getting cynical about "creating value" Ah.. got it! Meals Sorry programmers! Sweden is considered a socdem >> benelux+rest of nordics thanks to ABBA & IKEA meatballs, even though the reality is flipped.. UK is going down the toilet because her last "comparative advantage" of music production has been .. braindrained Denmark of TFA has created a new category M Medical research
  - spwa4 1y ago
    Ottomans were not Turkic. Well, somewhat, sure. But, only after the many genocides that spread after the collapse of the Ottoman empire did Turkey become majority Turkic.
    - gsf_emergency_2 1y ago
      I should have said "people who think of themselves as Turks (but are more often than not Anatolian/Greek/Caucasian in genetics/culture)" Also the rural urban etc divides

Of the scandinavian countries, only Norway has money, Dragsted is danish.

by pploug 1y ago

Of the scandinavian countries, only Norway has money, Dragsted is danish.

hagbard_c 1y ago

You forgot the word 'oil' between 'has' and 'money'.

spwa4 1y ago

Looking things up: 1) Norway oil + mining, which finance a large service sector that "is the bulk of the economy" (except not really: it would be 90% smaller without the resources) 2) Sweden mining + chemicals, which finance a large service sector around that 3) Finland mining + forestry, a large chemicals sector, which finance a large service sector around them like in Norway They all do large scale resource extraction, which then supports the economy on top of them. They all have oil money. Frankly the closest country to them that doesn't have a large resource base is Belgium, and they only have a service sector because they used to have a large resource extraction base recently that is dying (still not quite dead). Now they're ... well, pretty much their business is becoming government (they have a lot of huge governments and large international organisations on their territory. EU, NATO, SWIFT, Benelux, at least 10 Belgian govenerments, ...) This is what people don't seem to realize. This is how it works. The question, of course, is how to make it work without resources. Even the Ottoman arabs were doing fine in economy until the west conquered them and decided Jesus demands we force them to stop the resource they were exploiting on a large scale (black slaves, not that they didn't exploit European, Indian or even Chinese slaves, but in much smaller numbers)

gsf_emergency_2 1y ago
As you mention, one can also make it not work even with resources, as in some places outside Europe. (Ottomans were Turks & would get upside that you put them on the same footing as Arabs, Turkiye has a diversified econ today, was never properly invaded etc) It's not really about services, is my understanding.. Music, Merchandise and the third M I can't recall.(Not movies, they are too uh context-dependent-- not precisely centralized because Hollywood processes are far from that) Since financial or even governancial services can be thought of as extractive, what a country needs are cross-class meaning-agnostic exports that foreclose getting cynical about "creating value" Ah.. got it! Meals Sorry programmers! Sweden is considered a socdem >> benelux+rest of nordics thanks to ABBA & IKEA meatballs, even though the reality is flipped.. UK is going down the toilet because her last "comparative advantage" of music production has been .. braindrained Denmark of TFA has created a new category M Medical research
- spwa4 1y ago
  Ottomans were not Turkic. Well, somewhat, sure. But, only after the many genocides that spread after the collapse of the Ottoman empire did Turkey become majority Turkic.
  - gsf_emergency_2 1y ago
    I should have said "people who think of themselves as Turks (but are more often than not Anatolian/Greek/Caucasian in genetics/culture)" Also the rural urban etc divides