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I am skeptical that _that_ is what's hollowing the middle class in America, it's equally easy to point to income inequality for this. But you have your story yo

I am skeptical that _that_ is what's hollowing the middle class in America, it's equally easy to point to income inequality for this. But you have your story you believe, I'm resigned that the die are already cast. It's kind of sad to see the accelerated downfall of your country.

vntok 1y ago
> But you have your story you believe, I'm resigned that the die are already cast. But that is your story you believe, consider that the parent commenter has the exact same (mirrored) mindset. A useful segue to avoid you or them "being resigned": given that you say you're "skeptical", what would be the minimal proof you'd consider valid for you to change your mind?
- RealityVoid 1y ago
  The discussion is already dead, there's no point trying to convince anyone because the discussion is politicized and the current admin doesn't care about petty things like reality. Whoever is right won't matter in this stage, it matters who's saying it. I might be wrong, fully willing to cede the point, but this whole thing going on is more than _just this point_.
glitchc 1y ago
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jpadkins 1y ago
It's not the only reason, but it's one of the likely causes. Like most complex issues, it's multi-casual. You can't import 100k+ workers per year into a country and have no effect on wages! I understand the net economic impact is potentially positive, but I am speaking to the direct economic impact of the workers being displaced.
- giantg2 1y ago
  Just to add, we are also offshoring 300k jobs every year. This makes the impact even larger.
jpadkins 1y ago
> it's equally easy to point to income inequality for this Have you ever considered what causes income inequality? Maybe policy that favors globalist, ownership class over salaried workers? H1B in it's current form favors owners/managers over workers! We are saying the same thing. We have to analyze the causes of income inequality in order to solve it. I will leave you with one last thought: the states with the lowest gini co-efficient are the ones that have been more conservative over time https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_territories_by_income_inequality https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_territ... policy matters!
- selimthegrim 1y ago
  I am writing you from one of the two red Southern ones that is a glaring counterexample.
  - 3cKU 1y ago
    "the states with the lowest gini co-efficient are the ones that are the least diverse" seems a better fit.
    - mlrtime 1y ago
      Diversity is just a statistic, it's neither good or bad in either direction.
      - ThunderSizzle 1y ago
        Not all forms of diversity is strength. Mixing a wolf with a bunch of sheep isn't diversity, it's dinner time.
        defrost 1y ago
        Racial purity ain't all it's heil'd up to be either: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-019-38571-1 https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-019-38571-1 https://www.newscientist.com/article/2342731-neanderthal-family-life-revealed-by-ancient-dna-from-siberian-cave/ https://www.newscientist.com/article/2342731-neanderthal-fam... Have a barbie, find some middle ground: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGdj1TwBU1w https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGdj1TwBU1w
giantg2 1y ago
"it's equally easy to point to income inequality for this." Of course - they're connected. Taking advantage of labor is a big part of income inequality, including the way H1B is used/abused.

vntok 1y ago

> But you have your story you believe, I'm resigned that the die are already cast. But that is your story you believe, consider that the parent commenter has the exact same (mirrored) mindset. A useful segue to avoid you or them "being resigned": given that you say you're "skeptical", what would be the minimal proof you'd consider valid for you to change your mind?

RealityVoid 1y ago
The discussion is already dead, there's no point trying to convince anyone because the discussion is politicized and the current admin doesn't care about petty things like reality. Whoever is right won't matter in this stage, it matters who's saying it. I might be wrong, fully willing to cede the point, but this whole thing going on is more than _just this point_.

glitchc 1y ago

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jpadkins 1y ago

It's not the only reason, but it's one of the likely causes. Like most complex issues, it's multi-casual. You can't import 100k+ workers per year into a country and have no effect on wages! I understand the net economic impact is potentially positive, but I am speaking to the direct economic impact of the workers being displaced.

giantg2 1y ago
Just to add, we are also offshoring 300k jobs every year. This makes the impact even larger.

jpadkins 1y ago

> it's equally easy to point to income inequality for this Have you ever considered what causes income inequality? Maybe policy that favors globalist, ownership class over salaried workers? H1B in it's current form favors owners/managers over workers! We are saying the same thing. We have to analyze the causes of income inequality in order to solve it. I will leave you with one last thought: the states with the lowest gini co-efficient are the ones that have been more conservative over time https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_territories_by_income_inequality https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_territ... policy matters!

selimthegrim 1y ago
I am writing you from one of the two red Southern ones that is a glaring counterexample.
- 3cKU 1y ago
  "the states with the lowest gini co-efficient are the ones that are the least diverse" seems a better fit.
  - mlrtime 1y ago
    Diversity is just a statistic, it's neither good or bad in either direction.
    - ThunderSizzle 1y ago
      Not all forms of diversity is strength. Mixing a wolf with a bunch of sheep isn't diversity, it's dinner time.
      - defrost 1y ago
        Racial purity ain't all it's heil'd up to be either: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-019-38571-1 https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-019-38571-1 https://www.newscientist.com/article/2342731-neanderthal-family-life-revealed-by-ancient-dna-from-siberian-cave/ https://www.newscientist.com/article/2342731-neanderthal-fam... Have a barbie, find some middle ground: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGdj1TwBU1w https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGdj1TwBU1w

giantg2 1y ago

"it's equally easy to point to income inequality for this." Of course - they're connected. Taking advantage of labor is a big part of income inequality, including the way H1B is used/abused.