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So, essentially, startups will never be able to hire fresh graduate students again (masters/phd). This means that the best and brightest individuals who have ma

So, essentially, startups will never be able to hire fresh graduate students again (masters/phd). This means that the best and brightest individuals who have made it to the top US institutions after winning numerous rounds of global talent filtering will be deported.

selimthegrim 1y ago
I like how the assumption here is that there are no domestic graduate students anymore.
- whatever1 1y ago
  Not none, but very few in the stem fields (less than 40% from my estimates). Why would you pursue a PhD with a 25k/year stipend when you can just start a near 6-figure job and start paying off your student debt? Only the ones with financial freedom or commitment to research take the PhD pill. Or when you go through a recession and you want to delay the entry to the job searching market.
  - superdude12 1y ago
    This is exactly the problem with the system. If there are tons of foreigners willing to get grad degrees and work for a small salary increase over a bachelor’s, US students are not sufficiently incentivized to do graduate studies.
  - kelipso 1y ago
    The percentage gets worse when you look at the top say 10% of PhD students. Go to AI/ML conferences and see who is presenting the papers; it’s almost all international students in US universities or students from outside the US.
- yodsanklai 1y ago
  I'd be curious to know the stats. My personal experience: I interviewed tons of candidates in the past few years for a big tech company, a small fraction are US citizens (at least from what I can tell from their resume).
- lisbbb 1y ago
  In 1996 I was at a top US university getting a master's and was the only white dude in most of the classes. There was a probability class that could have been taught in Mandarin if it hadn't been for me.
- narcotraffico1 1y ago
  My compsci classes were 80% foreigners. Why? I'd guess because they pay full tuition and the schools love the money.
Amezarak 1y ago
If they're the best and the brightest individuals in the world, then surely they are worth absolutely enormous sums of money.

selimthegrim 1y ago

I like how the assumption here is that there are no domestic graduate students anymore.

whatever1 1y ago
Not none, but very few in the stem fields (less than 40% from my estimates). Why would you pursue a PhD with a 25k/year stipend when you can just start a near 6-figure job and start paying off your student debt? Only the ones with financial freedom or commitment to research take the PhD pill. Or when you go through a recession and you want to delay the entry to the job searching market.
- superdude12 1y ago
  This is exactly the problem with the system. If there are tons of foreigners willing to get grad degrees and work for a small salary increase over a bachelor’s, US students are not sufficiently incentivized to do graduate studies.
- kelipso 1y ago
  The percentage gets worse when you look at the top say 10% of PhD students. Go to AI/ML conferences and see who is presenting the papers; it’s almost all international students in US universities or students from outside the US.
yodsanklai 1y ago
I'd be curious to know the stats. My personal experience: I interviewed tons of candidates in the past few years for a big tech company, a small fraction are US citizens (at least from what I can tell from their resume).
lisbbb 1y ago
In 1996 I was at a top US university getting a master's and was the only white dude in most of the classes. There was a probability class that could have been taught in Mandarin if it hadn't been for me.
narcotraffico1 1y ago
My compsci classes were 80% foreigners. Why? I'd guess because they pay full tuition and the schools love the money.

Amezarak 1y ago

If they're the best and the brightest individuals in the world, then surely they are worth absolutely enormous sums of money.