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It's been worse before in America and we've returned to normal, so I have hope as an American. See McCarthyism in the 1950's, when people like Kimmel were black

It's been worse before in America and we've returned to normal, so I have hope as an American. See McCarthyism in the 1950's, when people like Kimmel were blackballed from working: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McCarthyism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McCarthyism

luddit3 1y ago
Maybe before social media. I have a hard time seeing how this country will self-correct.
martythemaniak 1y ago
What's really pathetic about the current situation is that McCarthyism was at least rooted in the fear that Soviets would bomb and kill people, which given Russia's conduct in Ukraine and other places was well-founded. The current authoritarian backsliding is because... woke? Truly the dumbest of timelines.
- lupusreal 1y ago
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  - mallowdram 1y ago
    It means meaning has collapsed, and it collapses because our meanings come in word-form, and those are arbitrary. We can make them mean whatever we want them to mean, and then keep saying them. That's what's going on.
  - hobs 1y ago
    That would be called concern trolling where I am from. This idea that "woke" has somehow threatened people is an amusing but rings more hollow every day. Right wing authoritarianism is by far the biggest terrorist threat in the united states - right wingers literally threaten war on social media on the regular and love their guns, elected officials are literally conspiracy theorists who talk about jewish space lasers and weather control systems, women have lost the right to abortions, we are testing the waters on gay marriage and mixed race marriage, we started a global trade war, the courts, congress, and the executive branch are controlled by one party and no one is doing any balance of powers. This all happens and I still hear people talk to me like "the liberals just shouldn't say X on twitter because its rude!!!" as if that's going to stop the white nationalists currently on the rampage in the government.
    - CuriousSkeptic 1y ago
      > This idea that "woke" has somehow threatened people is an amusing but rings more hollow every day. Tim Urban makes an interesting argument to the contrary in https://waitbutwhy.com/whatsourproblem https://waitbutwhy.com/whatsourproblem Though he argues that both “sides” are dangerously anti-liberal, but in different way.
  - rebolek 1y ago
    I don’t think it works that way for most people, maybe for some radicals but there are radicals on every side. Yesterday I overheard a conversation where a man was talking about a trip to our capital (in EU country) and how there were "strangepeople" (I wrote it together as it’s an insult as one word here and he meant it that way), wearing pink and rainbow and he was frightened and how’s he glad he returned to our small city in the middle of nowhere. Did I thought he was a fascist and did I want to kill him? No, he seemed like a decent man who’s just afraid of things he’s not familiar with and who believe in stuff pushed by crazy radicals because he has no experience with people and situations unknown to him. Did I want to punch him? No, I wanted to discuss with him, but I haven’t got time, as I needed to pick up my kid from the same art school he was bringing his kid in. So tell me, why is he concerned about people who he saw on metro and who were not threatening him? Should he be afraid of me, because I probably could be described as woke as I think that you should let others be, if they don’t hurt you or others? I don’t care about online media, this is real life example.
    - ndsipa_pomu 1y ago
      There's a world of difference between someone who may not feel comfortable around people who look/dress differently and sending squads of masked men to round up people due to their ethnicity and send them off to concentration camps.
      - AlexeyBelov 1y ago
        Those two things are five steps away from each other, not a hundred steps.
  - computerthings 1y ago
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  - DengistKhan 1y ago
    The actual definition of woke is the general awareness that we live in a white supremacist society, which is the primary reason the far right dropped the term SJW. As such, using the term "anti-woke" to describe oneself is essentially self-identifying as White Supremacist. This is an intentional decision by the far right, and if you're not in on it, then yes, you've been tricked. Therefore it is completely reasonable for someone to think you are a fascist, if you use terminology that self-identifies yourself as fascist. And you can't claim I'm changing the rules on you or anything like that. Woke is a word coined by anti-racists. You're using our word to self-identify as a bad person. It literally is that simple. However, that slippery slope about randomly getting punched for vague ????? is total nonsense and irrational on your part.

luddit3 1y ago

Maybe before social media. I have a hard time seeing how this country will self-correct.

martythemaniak 1y ago

What's really pathetic about the current situation is that McCarthyism was at least rooted in the fear that Soviets would bomb and kill people, which given Russia's conduct in Ukraine and other places was well-founded. The current authoritarian backsliding is because... woke? Truly the dumbest of timelines.

lupusreal 1y ago
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- mallowdram 1y ago
  It means meaning has collapsed, and it collapses because our meanings come in word-form, and those are arbitrary. We can make them mean whatever we want them to mean, and then keep saying them. That's what's going on.
- hobs 1y ago
  That would be called concern trolling where I am from. This idea that "woke" has somehow threatened people is an amusing but rings more hollow every day. Right wing authoritarianism is by far the biggest terrorist threat in the united states - right wingers literally threaten war on social media on the regular and love their guns, elected officials are literally conspiracy theorists who talk about jewish space lasers and weather control systems, women have lost the right to abortions, we are testing the waters on gay marriage and mixed race marriage, we started a global trade war, the courts, congress, and the executive branch are controlled by one party and no one is doing any balance of powers. This all happens and I still hear people talk to me like "the liberals just shouldn't say X on twitter because its rude!!!" as if that's going to stop the white nationalists currently on the rampage in the government.
  - CuriousSkeptic 1y ago
    > This idea that "woke" has somehow threatened people is an amusing but rings more hollow every day. Tim Urban makes an interesting argument to the contrary in https://waitbutwhy.com/whatsourproblem https://waitbutwhy.com/whatsourproblem Though he argues that both “sides” are dangerously anti-liberal, but in different way.
- rebolek 1y ago
  I don’t think it works that way for most people, maybe for some radicals but there are radicals on every side. Yesterday I overheard a conversation where a man was talking about a trip to our capital (in EU country) and how there were "strangepeople" (I wrote it together as it’s an insult as one word here and he meant it that way), wearing pink and rainbow and he was frightened and how’s he glad he returned to our small city in the middle of nowhere. Did I thought he was a fascist and did I want to kill him? No, he seemed like a decent man who’s just afraid of things he’s not familiar with and who believe in stuff pushed by crazy radicals because he has no experience with people and situations unknown to him. Did I want to punch him? No, I wanted to discuss with him, but I haven’t got time, as I needed to pick up my kid from the same art school he was bringing his kid in. So tell me, why is he concerned about people who he saw on metro and who were not threatening him? Should he be afraid of me, because I probably could be described as woke as I think that you should let others be, if they don’t hurt you or others? I don’t care about online media, this is real life example.
  - ndsipa_pomu 1y ago
    There's a world of difference between someone who may not feel comfortable around people who look/dress differently and sending squads of masked men to round up people due to their ethnicity and send them off to concentration camps.
    - AlexeyBelov 1y ago
      Those two things are five steps away from each other, not a hundred steps.
- computerthings 1y ago
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- DengistKhan 1y ago
  The actual definition of woke is the general awareness that we live in a white supremacist society, which is the primary reason the far right dropped the term SJW. As such, using the term "anti-woke" to describe oneself is essentially self-identifying as White Supremacist. This is an intentional decision by the far right, and if you're not in on it, then yes, you've been tricked. Therefore it is completely reasonable for someone to think you are a fascist, if you use terminology that self-identifies yourself as fascist. And you can't claim I'm changing the rules on you or anything like that. Woke is a word coined by anti-racists. You're using our word to self-identify as a bad person. It literally is that simple. However, that slippery slope about randomly getting punched for vague ????? is total nonsense and irrational on your part.