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Barr wasn’t cancelled by threats from the Government.

by pm90 1y ago

IncreasePosts 1y ago
Neither was Kimmel - the real threats came from the ABC affiliates who threatened to not air his content.
- etchalon 1y ago
  Kimmel was canceled explicitly because of a threat by the government. Carr has made that clear.
  - 2OEH8eoCRo0 1y ago
    Why are people playing dumb and ignoring this detail?
    - hellotheretoday 1y ago
      Because the political playbook is to argue in bad faith and conservatives are much better convincing their base of that than democrats. Why are many of them convinced that left wing violence is a scourge when right wing violence outweighs it by an overwhelming majority [0] unless you do mental gymnastics after tons of mass shootings (as Kash Patel, who one would think would be aware of related trends to domestic terrorism, so eloquently put it: “I’m sorry. Dylann Roof?”[1]) [0]https://theconversation.com/right-wing-extremist-violence-is-more-frequent-and-more-deadly-than-left-wing-violence-what-the-data-shows-265367 https://theconversation.com/right-wing-extremist-violence-is... [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LrkgM9_xOj4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LrkgM9_xOj4
    - zahlman 1y ago
      It's not being ignored. It's being judged to be incorrect.
  - IncreasePosts 1y ago
    Carr spoke about a potential investigation by the FCC on a podcast and the affiliates and Disney bowed to that.
    - throw0101a 1y ago
      > Carr spoke about a potential investigation by the FCC on a podcast and the affiliates and Disney bowed to that. Kind of like a mob member talks about a potential fire at a local establishment.
      - oh_sigh 1y ago
        Is there a judiciary that determines whether the mob was within their rights to light your restaurant on fire, and can stop the mob from lighting the restaurant on fire? Even if you think the FCC is just an extension of trump(fair) at this moment, their rulings aren't the final word. They still need to follow the law. If the FCC improperly attempts to withhold a license from the affiliate, the affiliate can sue and let federal judges, who are not an extension of trump, decide on the matter.
        throw0101a 1y ago
        > If the FCC improperly attempts to withhold a license from the affiliate, the affiliate can sue and let federal judges, who are not an extension of trump, decide on the matter. Which will take years to settle and you're paying fees upon fees. Or you can kiss ass and get it rubber stamped. That's why corruption can be so corrosive: it's the "easy" way through the problem.
  - zahlman 1y ago
    The FCC, like other federal agencies, is independent. There's nothing in the article to suggest that Carr's decision to do this has anything to do with Trump, who doesn't actually have authority here. Per the article, Carr apparently doesn't think he did anything coercive either. He's just making public statements. The supposed "threat" doesn't seem to me like much of one. And Carr is also irrelevant to the Kimmel firing. ABC faced pressure from affiliates and his ratings had been declining for a long time.
    - tzs 1y ago
      > The FCC, like other federal agencies, is independent. That's not what Trump thinks [1]. [1] https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/02/ensuring-accountability-for-all-agencies/ https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/02/ensu...
    - acdha 1y ago
      Trump does not share your view that they are an independent agency. Carr also does not appear share your extremely charitable interpretation of his actions. He has subsequently confirmed that he sees this in line with the administration's larger political mission and is being about as subtle as a fog horn about his status as a political hatchet man: https://x.com/BrendanCarrFCC/status/1968521297974923696 https://x.com/BrendanCarrFCC/status/1968521297974923696
xyzelement 1y ago
That's a nuance without consequence. Barr is a random example that came to mind. The larger point is that it's been very difficult for a while to be a conservative in media, or academia or in the workplace, due to the ease with which you were canceled. The reason people stick with principles because it helps them and the other side - it's a high ground maneuver. But once you feel like you are consistently deprived of all the benefits of that principle, you are no longer inclined to uphold it. So in general I would expect conservatives to now attack via pathways they were previously above. The fact that people are surprised they are getting fired for celebrating Kirk's murder is one sign of how benign the conservatives had been about that stuff. I think that's over now.
- hobs 1y ago
  Absolutely not, I will not concede this point at all. People deciding you are intolerable is not the same as the government putting pressure on your employer.
  - xyzelement 1y ago
    You don't have to conceded anything. You think conservatives can't point to examples of the government squeezing them, under the guise of COVID stuff, DEI requirements and the like? Or they don't think there was pressure from the government to shape the news? I want to agree with you, I am just saying it doesn't matter what you and I agree on. Conservatives have clearly seen and felt the principles not applying to their benefits and they are over it. Whether you or I can agonize about a particular misapplication of a particular principle doesn't matter.
- HankStallone 1y ago
  There's also a false equivalence, because when the government is on the same team as all the big tech and media companies, it doesn't have to threaten anyone into silencing speech the team doesn't like. It just happens, and then everyone pretends it's organic. I'd be glad to have a free speech conversation about this with anyone who actually cares about free speech, but that doesn't include anyone who spent the last decade cheering every time someone they disagreed with got his livelihood taken away. One TV network dumping one "comedian" who was well past his sell-by date is a tiny, tiny counter-trend to what's been going on for years.
reop2whiskey 1y ago
tens of thousands were http://judiciary.house.gov/media/press-releases/weaponization-committee-exposes-biden-white-house-censorship-regime-new-report http://judiciary.house.gov/media/press-releases/weaponizatio...

Barr wasn’t cancelled by threats from the Government.

by pm90 1y ago

Barr wasn’t cancelled by threats from the Government.

IncreasePosts 1y ago

Neither was Kimmel - the real threats came from the ABC affiliates who threatened to not air his content.

etchalon 1y ago
Kimmel was canceled explicitly because of a threat by the government. Carr has made that clear.
- 2OEH8eoCRo0 1y ago
  Why are people playing dumb and ignoring this detail?
  - hellotheretoday 1y ago
    Because the political playbook is to argue in bad faith and conservatives are much better convincing their base of that than democrats. Why are many of them convinced that left wing violence is a scourge when right wing violence outweighs it by an overwhelming majority [0] unless you do mental gymnastics after tons of mass shootings (as Kash Patel, who one would think would be aware of related trends to domestic terrorism, so eloquently put it: “I’m sorry. Dylann Roof?”[1]) [0]https://theconversation.com/right-wing-extremist-violence-is-more-frequent-and-more-deadly-than-left-wing-violence-what-the-data-shows-265367 https://theconversation.com/right-wing-extremist-violence-is... [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LrkgM9_xOj4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LrkgM9_xOj4
  - zahlman 1y ago
    It's not being ignored. It's being judged to be incorrect.
- IncreasePosts 1y ago
  Carr spoke about a potential investigation by the FCC on a podcast and the affiliates and Disney bowed to that.
  - throw0101a 1y ago
    > Carr spoke about a potential investigation by the FCC on a podcast and the affiliates and Disney bowed to that. Kind of like a mob member talks about a potential fire at a local establishment.
    - oh_sigh 1y ago
      Is there a judiciary that determines whether the mob was within their rights to light your restaurant on fire, and can stop the mob from lighting the restaurant on fire? Even if you think the FCC is just an extension of trump(fair) at this moment, their rulings aren't the final word. They still need to follow the law. If the FCC improperly attempts to withhold a license from the affiliate, the affiliate can sue and let federal judges, who are not an extension of trump, decide on the matter.
      - throw0101a 1y ago
        > If the FCC improperly attempts to withhold a license from the affiliate, the affiliate can sue and let federal judges, who are not an extension of trump, decide on the matter. Which will take years to settle and you're paying fees upon fees. Or you can kiss ass and get it rubber stamped. That's why corruption can be so corrosive: it's the "easy" way through the problem.
- zahlman 1y ago
  The FCC, like other federal agencies, is independent. There's nothing in the article to suggest that Carr's decision to do this has anything to do with Trump, who doesn't actually have authority here. Per the article, Carr apparently doesn't think he did anything coercive either. He's just making public statements. The supposed "threat" doesn't seem to me like much of one. And Carr is also irrelevant to the Kimmel firing. ABC faced pressure from affiliates and his ratings had been declining for a long time.
  - tzs 1y ago
    > The FCC, like other federal agencies, is independent. That's not what Trump thinks [1]. [1] https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/02/ensuring-accountability-for-all-agencies/ https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/02/ensu...
  - acdha 1y ago
    Trump does not share your view that they are an independent agency. Carr also does not appear share your extremely charitable interpretation of his actions. He has subsequently confirmed that he sees this in line with the administration's larger political mission and is being about as subtle as a fog horn about his status as a political hatchet man: https://x.com/BrendanCarrFCC/status/1968521297974923696 https://x.com/BrendanCarrFCC/status/1968521297974923696

xyzelement 1y ago

That's a nuance without consequence. Barr is a random example that came to mind. The larger point is that it's been very difficult for a while to be a conservative in media, or academia or in the workplace, due to the ease with which you were canceled. The reason people stick with principles because it helps them and the other side - it's a high ground maneuver. But once you feel like you are consistently deprived of all the benefits of that principle, you are no longer inclined to uphold it. So in general I would expect conservatives to now attack via pathways they were previously above. The fact that people are surprised they are getting fired for celebrating Kirk's murder is one sign of how benign the conservatives had been about that stuff. I think that's over now.

hobs 1y ago
Absolutely not, I will not concede this point at all. People deciding you are intolerable is not the same as the government putting pressure on your employer.
- xyzelement 1y ago
  You don't have to conceded anything. You think conservatives can't point to examples of the government squeezing them, under the guise of COVID stuff, DEI requirements and the like? Or they don't think there was pressure from the government to shape the news? I want to agree with you, I am just saying it doesn't matter what you and I agree on. Conservatives have clearly seen and felt the principles not applying to their benefits and they are over it. Whether you or I can agonize about a particular misapplication of a particular principle doesn't matter.
HankStallone 1y ago
There's also a false equivalence, because when the government is on the same team as all the big tech and media companies, it doesn't have to threaten anyone into silencing speech the team doesn't like. It just happens, and then everyone pretends it's organic. I'd be glad to have a free speech conversation about this with anyone who actually cares about free speech, but that doesn't include anyone who spent the last decade cheering every time someone they disagreed with got his livelihood taken away. One TV network dumping one "comedian" who was well past his sell-by date is a tiny, tiny counter-trend to what's been going on for years.

reop2whiskey 1y ago

tens of thousands were http://judiciary.house.gov/media/press-releases/weaponization-committee-exposes-biden-white-house-censorship-regime-new-report http://judiciary.house.gov/media/press-releases/weaponizatio...